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Re: Tech N9ne...

Postby SliK » Aug 9th, '13, 07:49

King Lance wrote:Gonna listen to that Pac Div x Blu x Kendrick Joint, you can't find more classic than this song Image

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King Lance you should make a Kendrick discography thread :D
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Re: Tech N9ne...

Postby King Lance » Aug 9th, '13, 07:54

SliK wrote:
King Lance wrote:Gonna listen to that Pac Div x Blu x Kendrick Joint, you can't find more classic than this song Image

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King Lance you should make a Kendrick discography thread :D


na it's good but nothing more imo, but it's their only collab :shakehead:

I'm thinking of making a TDE/black hippy anticipation thread tbh, you're not the only one to ask me for some songs :unsure:
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Re: Tech N9ne...

Postby Francesco » Aug 9th, '13, 08:01

Trimss wrote:Tech's verse is dope but I like Kendrick's more and I also liked All 6's and 7's a lot more.


I feel the same way to be honest.
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Re: Tech N9ne...

Postby CrashBand » Aug 9th, '13, 08:06

I understand why you think it isn't, but I still think rhyming is a part of lyricism :coffee:
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Re: Tech N9ne...

Postby Table » Aug 9th, '13, 16:27

Rhymes do add to the lyrical aesthetics, though. 2 lines with rhymes leave a better impression in the mind of the reader than 2 lines with the same content bar the word selection preventing the rhyming. Anything that leaves a better impression is better expressed and hence is in accord with the dictionary definition of 'lyricism'. Same with metres.

And no, a song doesn't have to entail rhymes to be good lyrically, rhyming is just one of the many components that adds to what we know as the quality of being "lyrical."

But just like any poetic device, execution is what counts. A shoehorned rhyme doesn't make a piece of writing more lyrical.
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Re: Tech N9ne...

Postby Willy » Aug 9th, '13, 17:21

Table wrote:Rhymes do add to the lyrical aesthetics, though. 2 lines with rhymes leave a better impression in the mind of the reader than 2 lines with the same content bar the word selection preventing the rhyming. Anything that leaves a better impression is better expressed and hence is in accord with the dictionary definition of 'lyricism'. Same with metres.

And no, a song doesn't have to entail rhymes to be good lyrically, rhyming is just one of the many components that adds to what we know as the quality of being "lyrical."

But just like any poetic device, execution is what counts. A shoehorned rhyme doesn't make a piece of writing more lyrical.


Nice explanation. I agree.

Also, not every song has a metaphor, but metaphors still fall under lyricism. Saying other genres don't use rhyme doesn't prove anything.
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Re: Tech N9ne...

Postby classthe_king » Aug 9th, '13, 19:03

Table wrote:Rhymes do add to the lyrical aesthetics, though. 2 lines with rhymes leave a better impression in the mind of the reader than 2 lines with the same content bar the word selection preventing the rhyming. Anything that leaves a better impression is better expressed and hence is in accord with the dictionary definition of 'lyricism'. Same with metres.

And no, a song doesn't have to entail rhymes to be good lyrically, rhyming is just one of the many components that adds to what we know as the quality of being "lyrical."

But just like any poetic device, execution is what counts. A shoehorned rhyme doesn't make a piece of writing more lyrical.


omg c'mon people. The lyrics stand by themselves, regardless of the artists willingness to pay attention. The rhymes help the lyrics sonically which makes the overall song better but they don't improve the lyrics themselves. You can say the same thing with delivery. 2 lines delivered by Biggie leave a better impression on the listener than the exact same 2 lines delivered by some terrible nerdy internet rapper. Is delivery apart of lyricism too? The argument falls apart.

Also, if a song doesn't have any metaphor or similes I'm willing to go on a limb and say that it's a shit song
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Re: Tech N9ne...

Postby Table » Aug 9th, '13, 19:46

classthe_king wrote:
Table wrote:Rhymes do add to the lyrical aesthetics, though. 2 lines with rhymes leave a better impression in the mind of the reader than 2 lines with the same content bar the word selection preventing the rhyming. Anything that leaves a better impression is better expressed and hence is in accord with the dictionary definition of 'lyricism'. Same with metres.

And no, a song doesn't have to entail rhymes to be good lyrically, rhyming is just one of the many components that adds to what we know as the quality of being "lyrical."

But just like any poetic device, execution is what counts. A shoehorned rhyme doesn't make a piece of writing more lyrical.


omg c'mon people. The lyrics stand by themselves, regardless of the artists willingness to pay attention. The rhymes help the lyrics sonically which makes the overall song better but they don't improve the lyrics themselves. You can say the same thing with delivery. 2 lines delivered by Biggie leave a better impression on the listener than the exact same 2 lines delivered by some terrible nerdy internet rapper. Is delivery apart of lyricism too? The argument falls apart.

Also, if a song doesn't have any metaphor or similes I'm willing to go on a limb and say that it's a shit song




Note I said "the reader".
Judge for yourself which bar strikes a chord with you more:

If I could I would keep this feeling in a plastic jar
whenever someone would act hard, I could bust it out.

If I could I would keep this feeling in a plastic jar
Bust it out whenever someone's actin hard.

^Instance of the brain effectively registering the end rhymes and consequently being left with a better impression.

And yes, delivery would be a part of lyricism if you could read it off a paper.
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Re: Tech N9ne...

Postby classthe_king » Aug 9th, '13, 19:53

No. When read aloud the second one sounds better because the rhymes give it a natural flow but on paper they both strike a chord the exact same.
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Re: Tech N9ne...

Postby Table » Aug 9th, '13, 20:14

classthe_king wrote:No. When read aloud the second one sounds better because the rhymes give it a natural flow...


Yes, and that stands true for anybody who reads it off the paper hence giving the line an inherent flow that doesn't depend upon sonic transmutation by the artist himself. Implies that the artist was able to deliver a better expressed line through his writing alone because of rhymes.

@bigray I meant to say delivery can not be a part of lyricism because you can't read it off a paper.
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Re: Tech N9ne...

Postby classthe_king » Aug 9th, '13, 20:22

It still only help the line sound better tho, even if it was in the readers head. If we used your example and asked people what they took away from the two sets of lyrics the answers would be the exact same. Adding a line didn't change the lyrics themselves or how they were interpreted.
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Re: Tech N9ne...

Postby Elision » Aug 9th, '13, 20:28

didn't read back too far so excuse me if i'm off-topic, but delivery can't be a part of lyricism because they can exist without being said at all. And what about people who just write the music, and then sell it to other artists? Like in the pop industry. There has to be a word for the work those people do, and as far as I know, it is "lyricism". Regardless of weather or not it's ever recorded.
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Re: Tech N9ne...

Postby Table » Aug 9th, '13, 20:31

classthe_king wrote:It still only help the line sound better tho, even if it was in the readers head...


better = more beautifully expressed, right? That's what the defintion of lyricism is.

What the readers took away from the lyrics is the message the artist tried to convey. They would have taken the same message had Slug phrased the lines worse, does that mean phrasing isn't a part of lyricism?
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Re: Tech N9ne...

Postby Willy » Aug 9th, '13, 20:31

Rhyme is a literary device that can be used to enhance writing. I'd say it is a part of lyricism... lol. I see whwhat you're doing but find it unecessary. @class, why do you care so much about the definition of lyricism? You could win the Tech N9ne argument with either definition... seems like we're just beating a dead horse at this point.

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Re: Tech N9ne...

Postby classthe_king » Aug 9th, '13, 20:40

Table wrote:
classthe_king wrote:It still only help the line sound better tho, even if it was in the readers head...


better = more beautifully expressed, right? That's what the defintion of lyricism is.

What the readers took away from the lyrics is the message the artist tried to convey. They would have taken the same message had Slug phrased the lines worse, does that mean phrasing isn't a part of lyricism?


Better sounding…the words themselves weren't better. If Slug phrased the lines worst they wouldn't have taken away the same thing because the lines wouldn't have been as beautiful or imaginative. Better phrasing has a direct correlation with lyricism. Better phrasing=better lyrics. Having better rhyming has no correlation with lyricism. You could have good lyrics with bad rhymes, bad lyrics with good rhymes, good lyrics with good rhymes or bad lyrics with bad rhymes.

@Willy I already won the Tech N9ne argument, this is just me being bored :coffee:
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