MMLP vs MBDTF

[Fleka]

On what basis did you form your moronic opinion that Recovery is selling out?

[Kill You]

such consistent themes carried throughout an album so daringly, originally, uniquely, artistically and it all sounded so varied yet cohesive... It's just an absolute powerhouse.

Sounds like a perfectly accurate description of MBDTF.

No, maybe the production but that's literally it. Anything else would be Kanye Stans fooling themselves. His lyrics are random, a lot of the themes themselves are random, random features. Just sounds cohesive, that's it, nothing daring, unique, or artistic about it. Hell, that describes Yeezus more accurately and Yeezus is a far worse album than either.

This album is nowhere near MMLP, lmao. No Kanye album is.

[SliK]

@Fleka, Because he did a complete 180 and pandered to the masses, making radio hits and shitting on his previous work. Pandering to the masses and making radio hits is the definition of selling out.

Now, care to explain your statement, dipshit?

@Kill You, I never compared the two. Of course MBDTF is artistic, it's art. Hurrr. All that artificial weed clearly fried that brain of yours.

[Fleka]

Kanye is making radio hits his whole career. And marrying a girl that would eat a piece of shit if that will get her some publicity isn`t selling out?
You remind of Blu. Thinking you are the smartest here, dismissing other people opinions and acting like you are saying facts, not opinions. And you always add insults to your arguments. That makes me lose all of my... good will to actually debate here. People like you that try too hard to be "great" here.

I think Em is far better than Kanye. I think that Kanye, as a rapper, sucks. He makes good music, good beats and you people overrate that to the point where it gets annoying. And if Recovery is selling out, Kanye is a sell out from day one. And there is nothing you can do about it. You can call me dipshit, morron...whatever you feel like.

[Kill You]

@Fleka, Because he did a complete 180 and pandered to the masses, making radio hits and shitting on his previous work. Pandering to the masses and making radio hits is the definition of selling out.

Now, care to explain your statement, dipshit?

@Kill You, I never compared the two. Of course MBDTF is artistic, it's art. Hurrr. All that artificial weed clearly fried that brain of yours.

Okay, and I didn't insult you and but you insulted me, good job.

You technically were comparing the two with your comment, man...saying "isn't that what MBDTF is?" I was saying that no, it's not and you got defensive. It's art, but not very "artsy."

[SliK]

Fleka, after cheeseburger you are the biggest moron on this forum. I couldn't give a fuck what you or anyone else thinks about me. I'm not trying to be "great", I'm just me. If you act like a dipshit (even if you can't help it) I'll call you out on it. I wouldn't disagree that Kanye made radio hits, though not his whole career (Yeezus). But his ALBUMS aren't selling out. In fact, his first single was Jesus Walks, a song about religion which he stated "if this takes away from my spins (meaning RADIO plays), which will take away from my ends (aka SALES), at least it takes away from my sins" or some shit like that, meaning he made that song for HIM. He makes all his music for him, just like Eminem used to do.

Still waiting for you to justify that ridiculous claim, btw.

Kill You, I really don't have a problem with you at all. The way you present your argument just rubs me the wrong way. I wasn't comparing the two AT ALL. All I said was, the way EmBase described MMLP could accurately describe MBDTF and that goes for a lot of other albums too. It doesn't mean I'm saying they're equal or in the same league.

[LIL_B]

[Fleka]

See, the problem is that you will call dipshit or moron everybody that says something that you don`t like.
Who the fuck are you to call who here is dipshit and who is not.
I will just ignore you from now.

[SliK]

I just call it like I see it bro. Someone who makes ignorant statements that they can't justify is a dipshit. Anyone will tell you that.

[EminemBase]

Lol, whatever. Again I didn't say MMLP wasn't better or even compared it. I just said your description of MMLP fits perfectly for both albums.

Well, I'm a big Kanye fan, and I like MBDTF a lot.

But I wouldn't say MBTF has a truly consistent focus or set of themes... it's pretty much Kanye exploring what he always explores, just slightly grander... what I do love is his... kind of, manic/abstract inspiration for the album; in terms of turning dreams and visions in to songs...

But it's a loose concept album with a pretty pretentious metaphor... some brilliant production, some brilliant rapping... but, I couldn't even pick one song and say "this is groundbreaking" or "this is genius"... they just all range from great-very-great but... it's just not in the same league at all for me. But, whatever, to each his own yo.

I agree they are in different leagues, if only because I think MMLP is actually perfect in terms of execution and MBDTF falls slightly short of that

I'm curious to read how you would compare MBDTF with TES, which I think is a far more interesting question.

Hmm... I agree yo..

For once I think we're on genuinely similar wavelengths lmao.. so to speak...

Comparing MBDTF to TES is definitely more interesting man... as Em's themes are definitely more general and more generally approached, the albums are comparable...

Hmmm...

[Accor]

Lol. MMLP, and not even remotely close.

*waits for a serious question*

Does any hip hop album come "remotely close" in your opinion? I'm genuinely curious, and don't say "The Eminem Show".

To MMLP? Not that I've heard...

I've never heard such consistent themes carried throughout an album so daringly, originally, uniquely, artistically and it all sounded so varied yet cohesive... It's just an absolute powerhouse.

There's nothing like it.

Some of my other favourite albums which I could mention in the same sentence without laughing though would be... Black on Both Sides... Internal Affairs... but certainly not MBDTF.

have u heard when life gives you lemons you paint that shit gold

[Accor]

ya and i'm guessing he hasn't listened to it lol

[SliK]

GKMC is another amazing album. I don't think it's out of the question to say it is executed just as well as MMLP. I mean, it's as close to perfect as they come.

[B.A.D.]

do we really need this thread?