Eminem - MMLP 2 - NOV. 5, 2013 NO SNIPPET DISCUSSION

[4Corners]

I gotta laugh at some of these clowns saying Relapse is on the same level of the Slim Shady LP. For real??? Even the biggest Relapse stans have to admit that album doesn't even come remotely close to matching any of his first three major label albums.

[EllenPage-Mathers]

Relapse stans don't have to admit anything. Relapse and The SSLP are very arguably in the same league. Both albums have weak tracks. Relapse has Underground, Beautiful, and CAB. SSLP has Cum on Everybody, My Fault, and too many skits (Soap and Bitch are hardly essential).

Underground has a sick beat,Beautiful is a more meaningful track, although it doesn't fit with the album it isn't poor. CAB is poor, true.

SSLP was one of his best because of when it was out out and the fact it was his first. The tracks you mentioned were him playing around.

Also, why is my fucking avatar gone?

[Mike_88]

50 cent twetted

50cent ‏@50cent 15m
That was a joint I did over a year ago in Detroit with EM. I hope nothing else got out. #smsaudio

One of his song leaked "don't turn on me", and his afraid that the song with em could leak too

Alex da kid have produced 50's beat..and i think those songs were from the same session, so if the song em ft 50 is champion it will be alex da kid production

I heard "Champion" is produced by Just Blaze.

[unbound88]

lol @ 50 randomly putting #smsaudio at the end of that.

[Kill You]

I gotta laugh at some of these clowns saying Relapse is on the same level of the Slim Shady LP. For real??? Even the biggest Relapse stans have to admit that album doesn't even come remotely close to matching any of his first three major label albums.

Dude, it's opinion, shut up. I can recognize that SSLP is the better album but I like Relapse better than it. It's great music. No one should be sorry for voicing putting Relapse over it, Relapse is basically SSLP with the accents. "Relapse Stans" are you fucking serious.

[Kill You]

I gotta laugh at some of these clowns saying Relapse is on the same level of the Slim Shady LP. For real??? Even the biggest Relapse stans have to admit that album doesn't even come remotely close to matching any of his first three major label albums.

SSLP wasn't even that great though..

It was great, but there is no reason why people should be put down if they prefer Relapse. Now if we were talking about Encore or something, then yeah, fuck that lol.

[EminemBase]

Mr' your list is strait up legit. But Recovery got you into Em? God bless you, sir. In reality, those really who get it, know Relapse, Recovery and Encore were sub par Em albums. Face it Stans. Ems last good album was The Eminem Show. You know that's the tru tru.

Relapse and Recovery are at least good albums...

Relapse is way better than good, It's great, and near-classic.

I know I've said it a million times but fuck it I'll say it until I die (somebody kill me), the only thing which stops it, for me anyway, being a classic... is the last three tracks. That's it.

I've played it back to front without 'em and the shit is damn near flawless to me.

I don't mean flawless as in, LITERALLY could never be improved up, I mean a flawless listening experience, there is no "ffs, why Em" or feeling of... a break in the continuity. It's 11 amazing tracks of psycopathy, provocation, silliness, poetic wording, genius flows and amazing beats... a classic skit, followed by a brilliant introspective track which fits and ends the concept, cold-blunt, perfect. THAT'S the album he made.

Then Jimmy went "wahhh, we need more singles EM, put these two pieces of shit at the end" and Em, like the pussy he is said "wahh, okay Jimmy baby hun sweety ", but then said to himself "fuck... going out on CAB... really? I need some dark shit, leme make this specifically to go out on @ Underground. It doesn't sound anything like any of the other tracks because I've made it after them and for the wrong reasons, but fuck it, I don't care about albums any more".

Actual scientific facts yo.

BUT, that IS the case so whatever. But it limits the album to me, I can never call it a classic because of that. But the RELAPSE material itself... undeniable fucking classic. I have more fun right now rapping along to Relapse than anything else.

Recovery has GREAT and BRILLIANT moments, and songs... but there's absolutely no musical continuity apart from the general loud bashy nothingness of everything. So... I'd quite contently call it just a 'good' album. It's definitely not bad or shit, anybody who says it is... is full of it, slam the shit on back to front, aside from the odd line or moment, the shit is consistently entertaining/stimulating.

But it's not a consistent or 'together' album. It's an expensive mixtape.

But neither are bad or shit. Encore is Em's only bad album. But I absolutely would have expected him to create a definitive classic with Relapse or Recovery... he probably did with Relapse 2, but he was too pussy to follow his balls again... if he has any. Maybe he'll do it with mmlp2. Yeah right.

[Kill You]

Mr' your list is strait up legit. But Recovery got you into Em? God bless you, sir. In reality, those really who get it, know Relapse, Recovery and Encore were sub par Em albums. Face it Stans. Ems last good album was The Eminem Show. You know that's the tru tru.

Relapse and Recovery are at least good albums...

Relapse is way better than good, It's great, and near-classic.

I know I've said it a million times but fuck it I'll say it until I die (somebody kill me), the only thing which stops it, for me anyway, being a classic... is the last three tracks. That's it.

I've played it back to front without 'em and the shit is damn near flawless to me.

I don't mean flawless as in, LITERALLY could never be improved up, I mean a flawless listening experience, there is no "ffs, why Em" or feeling of... a break in the continuity. It's 11 amazing tracks of psycopathy, provocation, silliness, poetic wording, genius flows and amazing beats... a classic skit, followed by a brilliant introspective track which fits and ends the concept, cold-blunt, perfect. THAT'S the album he made.

Then Jimmy went "wahhh, we need more singles EM, put these two pieces of shit at the end" and Em, like the pussy he is said "wahh, okay Jimmy baby hun sweety ", but then said to himself "fuck... going out on CAB... really? I need some dark shit, leme make this specifically to go out on @ Underground. It doesn't sound anything like any of the other tracks because I've made it after them and for the wrong reasons, but fuck it, I don't care about albums any more".

Actual scientific facts yo.

BUT, that IS the case so whatever. But it limits the album to me, I can never call it a classic because of that. But the RELAPSE material itself... undeniable fucking classic. I have more fun right now rapping along to Relapse than anything else.

Recovery has GREAT and BRILLIANT moments, and songs... but there's absolutely no musical continuity apart from the general loud bashy nothingness of everything. So... I'd quite contently call it just a 'good' album. It's definitely not bad or shit, anybody who says it is... is full of it, slam the shit on back to front, aside from the odd line or moment, the shit is consistently entertaining/stimulating.

But it's not a consistent or 'together' album. It's an expensive mixtape.

But neither are bad or shit. Encore is Em's only bad album. But I absolutely would have expected him to create a definitive classic with Relapse or Recovery... he probably did with Relapse 2, but he was too pussy to follow his balls again... if he has any. Maybe he'll do it with mmlp2. Yeah right.

Oh, I know. I LOVE rapping along to Relapse and I know practically every word since I listened to it that whole summer it released. I was just saying that the guy said Eminem hasn't had a good album since TES, I was saying that both Relapse and Recovery are AT LEAST good albums lol. Relapse is definitely great. I would keep Beautiful on the album for the concept's sake but that's it.

Relapse is incredible, there is no album like it.

[UnoDeuce]

I think TES is the better album, I just listening to SSLP more for some reason. It's more fun to listen to and no track from TES compares to Rock Bottom.

[petros]

I've seen most people here don't respect others opinions.You either love relapse or they will tell you to leave the foroum and to fuck off.
Anyway I hope we have some news so all this old album comparing stops and the mmlp vs mmlp2 starts.
That's actually a reason why I think many people won't enjoy the new album that much.Cause they will compare it to brilliant album and it will most possibly lose.
Can't blame them though.Em choosed to name it that.

[voice23]

SSLP >>Relapse for mos definite. Relapse was weird ... had no lasting substance. It was one long murder song.. how many times are you gonna throw punch lines about raping women and murder in the same album... SSLP had good subject matter to the songs.. very original pieces. And very different.

[D'Leh]

Relapse is a great album, almost a classic but what stands out the most in this album is the production. Those beats are awesome unlikle the SSLP where I think the production is good but it can't touch Relapse. Of course that the album came out ten years later and for sure with a lot of more budget than the SSLP but to me Relapse is classic as well as SSLP. I call it a tie!

[EminemBase]

SSLP >>Relapse for mos definite. Relapse was weird ... had no lasting substance. It was one long murder song.. how many times are you gonna throw punch lines about raping women and murder in the same album... SSLP had good subject matter to the songs.. very original pieces. And very different.

How was it one long murder song :/ lmao...

"My Mom"... "Insane"... "Bagpipes from Baghdad", "Hello"... "We Made You"... "Medicine Ball", "Old Time's Sake"... "Must Be the Ganja"...

None of these are murder songs or tales. There's murder content IN them, but, any 'pure' Eminem content basically has murder references or fictional violence lmao, and it was just emphasized here as that was part of the theme/concept of a murderous relapse/murder spree.

Relapse is way more than a murder story.

Constantly funny, inventive, obsessively detailed, beautiful writing, great storytelling and some nice lil concept hooks again where he raps to provoke/to rap rather than everything having to be a chronological progression of life drama.

[cityfan31]

Always amazes me how the general 'Forum View' evolves over time.

Post Relapse, every 'accent' verse we got from Em was predominantly met with a mixed to poor response on here and plenty of wailing about being sick of him 'rapping in stupid accents about sticking things up his ass'.

Recovery got an almost universally positive reaction on here on release because it was his 'normal voice' and he was addressing some 'real shit'. Most people (and I know there were a good few who didn't) even enjoyed his sly dig at Relapse in Not Afraid.

Nowadays the accents, which were literally THE talking point for about a year and a half on here have been completely forgotten/forgiven and Recovery is denounced for Em 'just screaming' which was a complaint added completely in hindsight after he started shouting more in post-Recovery verses.

[4Corners]

I'm all about peoples opinions until it's comparing a classic that is universally regarded as one of the greatest hip hop albums of all time, is one of Rolling Stone's 500 greatest albums of all time, to something that wasn't even well received by the vast majority of hip hop listeners.

And fuck all that shit if someone gets down on people calling Relapse equal to SSLP, and than bitching and moaning about "respect others opinions". If you say Relapse was a weak album or you prefer even the angry aggressive shouting Eminem on Recovery, it's blasphemy, and you're basically told to fuck off and leave the forum. So stop with the double standards people.

Slim Shady LP was something original and had barely any weak songs.

We have people calling Relapse a near classic and it has fucking My Mom, Bagpipes From Baghdad, We Made You on it. Good god, this place isn't for Eminem stans, it's Relapse stans, it really is. Relapse was Em coming with some good rhyme schemes, a horrific accent that worked on some songs but not most, and also an Em that lacked luster and emotion in his music. If anything, Underground with it's flaws is probably the closest thing to sounding like the old Eminem on the whole album.

Ems never made a completely whack album. Even Encore had some good records on it, but to say that Relapse or Recovery came remotely close to any of his first 3 is ridiculous IMHO. And I don't even rate SSLP as highly as MMLP or TES.

It's also funny people think the general consensus on here is the general consensus with fans or hip hop listeners, and its not. The general consensus on here is that Berzerk is great or very good, while away from this site it's probably 50% absolutely hate it, 20% like it, and 30% are like whatever the fuck, I just hope the album is better.

I mean we have people on here who think you need to sit back and analyze every single line in a song to know if you like it. If you find yourself having to find reasons to like a song, it's probably not too great.