Eminem - MMLP 2 - NOV. 5, 2013 NO SNIPPET DISCUSSION

[therapist]

For your entertainment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUsaDcNoctY

[VINTAGƎ]

When eminem dies not even FACK is going to get hate. Peoples hate is so temporary and it will change as they mature and develop different taste in music. If you study flows and technicalities like cadences and rhyme structure then Recovery has more sauce for you than MMLP1 and maybe even TES. Though in his earlier years there is an undeniable fire and peak that I believe he has fallen from, still that does't change how technically good at rhyming he has gotten, and just much better overall with the craft. You have to really pay attention though. I say it all the time, his No Love verse is the epitome of underrated.

His verse on No Love is surprisingly underrated on here it seems. A lot of his Recovery stuff is. Like I said a few pages back, people are rewriting history. Recovery was not LTWYL put on all 17 tracks. He was going in. Hard. On a lot of songs. More songs than not. Some people make it seem like it was soft. There's nothing soft about "rip out your liver, gizzards and balls, throw you in the middle of the ocean in a blizzard with jaws."

Just because he wasn't turning human skin into coats or raping women doesn't mean he sold out or went pop. He was vicious on that record.

Exactly and LTWYL was a fantastic song. Why shouldn't he be able to make songs like that? He really got down onto paper what millions of people probably have an infinitely hard time trying to describe. It speaks to people. It isn't just successful because Rihanna is on it, it is more successful than any of Rihanna's singles and has far more views on YT than any rihanna single as well. It's a powerhouse of a song and god forbid that two talented artists with mainstream appeal get together and actually make GOOD music. At least that's the way I see it ^_^

I just like balanced albums, and I feel it was his most balanced. That and Eminem Show.

I fucking adore the balls off SSLP and MMLP but a lot of the content was repetitive. Fantastic lyricism, great production, but the content was limited in some respects.

SSLP was mainly clever word play and shock value material.

MMLP was mainly him being pissed off at the world, his mom, his wife, critics, sucky music, etc

TES had balance. Personal stuff, lyrical stuff, motivational stuff, etc

Encore was mostly humorous, or attempting to be funny

Relapse was mostly serial killer stuff with a few tracks like Deja Vu and Beautiful that made it seem disjointed because it wasn't 100% serial killer theme. Even if it was, that's like 15 different songs with the same theme on different beats.

Recovery as I mentioned before, all types of different songs. For some it may seem unfocused and sloppy but to me sounded fresh because of the variety of the records.

We'll see where MMLP 2 goes. It looks to be versatile as well because all four songs sound nothing alike.

[4Corners]

You guys really don't want to get into it with these guys about how you thought Recovery was dope, because they will tear you to shreds in their minds and tell you about how great Relapse is for the millionth time.

I agree though. Recovery was dope IMO. Only misstep was production on a lot of songs, but it was tolerable enough on songs that Ems rapping made the track good still.

Cold Wind Blows, On Fire, Going Through Changes, Seduction, No Love verse, Space Bound, Ridaz, So Bad, Session One, Almost Famous, Untitled are all DOPE.

[therapist]

When eminem dies not even FACK is going to get hate. Peoples hate is so temporary and it will change as they mature and develop different taste in music. If you study flows and technicalities like cadences and rhyme structure then Recovery has more sauce for you than MMLP1 and maybe even TES. Though in his earlier years there is an undeniable fire and peak that I believe he has fallen from, still that does't change how technically good at rhyming he has gotten, and just much better overall with the craft. You have to really pay attention though. I say it all the time, his No Love verse is the epitome of underrated.

His verse on No Love is surprisingly underrated on here it seems. A lot of his Recovery stuff is. Like I said a few pages back, people are rewriting history. Recovery was not LTWYL put on all 17 tracks. He was going in. Hard. On a lot of songs. More songs than not. Some people make it seem like it was soft. There's nothing soft about "rip out your liver, gizzards and balls, throw you in the middle of the ocean in a blizzard with jaws."

Just because he wasn't turning human skin into coats or raping women doesn't mean he sold out or went pop. He was vicious on that record.

I think also a lot of the people who like Recovery are older. Admit it... when you're young you're angry. The younger eminem just feels better. It scratches that certain itch for you in your mind that you could never reach. I think once you get past that recovery can appeal more to you... lines like "I'm alive again, more alive than I have been in my whole entire life - I can - see these peoples' ears perk up as I begin the spaz with a pen"

young anxious kids don't want to hear songs talkin' about being invigorated and alive again, they don't know what it's like to experience that. And the line "I can hear these peoples' ears perk up as I begin the spaz with the pen" Is also particularly meaningful to oldschool Stans because that's exactly what happened. He had been gone for 4 years before his previous album and this was considered his come back. People were starting to pay attention again. Younger fans can't grasp the scope of the nostalgia on Recovery.

I think MMLP2 is going to combine that with newer styles that will make him relevant again. Which is always good. A recovery/mmlp hybrid will be nice.

[4Corners]

So Cardiak produced Groundhog Day???

He's a pretty solid producer.

[therapist]

You guys really don't want to get into it with these guys about how you thought Recovery was dope, because they will tear you to shreds in their minds and tell you about how great Relapse is for the millionth time.

I agree though. Recovery was dope IMO. Only misstep was production on a lot of songs, but it was tolerable enough on songs that Ems rapping made the track good still.

Cold Wind Blows, On Fire, Going Through Changes, Seduction, No Love verse, Space Bound, Ridaz, So Bad, Session One, Almost Famous, Untitled are all DOPE.

We also got his Forever, airplanes, and That's All She Wrote verses during that era too . those were nice surprises

[VINTAGƎ]

You guys really don't want to get into it with these guys about how you thought Recovery was dope, because they will tear you to shreds in their minds and tell you about how great Relapse is for the millionth time.

I agree though. Recovery was dope IMO. Only misstep was production on a lot of songs, but it was tolerable enough on songs that Ems rapping made the track good still.

Cold Wind Blows, On Fire, Going Through Changes, Seduction, No Love verse, Space Bound, Ridaz, So Bad, Session One, Almost Famous, Untitled are all DOPE.

Before this album cycle came around it seemed a lot worse. Before MMLP 2 was announced it seemed like the entire forum agreed that Recovery was Encore 2 and that his next album was his final strike. Which is odd because offline, from what I've seen and heard -- Encore was strike one, Relapse was strike two, and Recovery was the album he needed to make to regain his status in the game.

I know one person who leans more towards Relapse, but doesn't trash Recovery. He just gives the edge to Relapse. It's funny because, his all time favorite album is MMLP, mine is TES.

It seems like Eminem has two fan bases. The ones that prefer the MMLP/Relapse combo, and those that prefer the TES/Recovery combo.

I guess with more users joining these past few months, you're gonna get some who prefer Recovery and will dilute the stronghold Relapse had on here.

I think it's great that Eminem fans can be so different. Just speaks to his versatility. He has different categories of fans.

[therapist]

Anyone else noticed how no one talks about Rap God? It's almost like there's no point. It's like: "Yep"

[4Corners]

You guys really don't want to get into it with these guys about how you thought Recovery was dope, because they will tear you to shreds in their minds and tell you about how great Relapse is for the millionth time.

I agree though. Recovery was dope IMO. Only misstep was production on a lot of songs, but it was tolerable enough on songs that Ems rapping made the track good still.

Cold Wind Blows, On Fire, Going Through Changes, Seduction, No Love verse, Space Bound, Ridaz, So Bad, Session One, Almost Famous, Untitled are all DOPE.

Before this album cycle came around it seemed a lot worse. Before MMLP 2 was announced it seemed like the entire forum agreed that Recovery was Encore 2 and that his next album was his final strike. Which is odd because offline, from what I've seen and heard -- Encore was strike one, Relapse was strike 2, and Recovery was the album he needed to make to regain his status in the game.

I know one person who leans more towards Relapse, but doesn't trash Recovery. He just gives the edge to Relapse. It's funny because, his all time favorite album is MMLP, mine is TES.

It seems like Eminem has two fan bases. The ones that prefer the MMLP/Relapse combo, and those that prefer the TES/Recovery combo.

I guess with more users joining these past few months, you're gonna get some who prefer Recovery and will dilute the stronghold Relapse had on here.

I think it's great that Eminem fans can be so different. Just speaks to his versatility. He has different categories of fans.

When I ask co workers at my job, or associates underneath me at my job, they all prefer Recovery to Relapse, aside from one guy.

When you talk to hip hop heads in real life, they much much much prefer his rapping on Hell the Sequel to either, but still prefer his style on Recovery as oppose to the accents on Relapse.

The reason Relapse, which I still feel is a solid album just like Recovery, was a miss.....was because his intent was stir controversy again, and it didn't really do anything like that. And lets not beat around the bush, that accent....man oh man

[VINTAGƎ]

Anyone else noticed how no one talks about Rap God? It's almost like there's no point. It's like: "Yep"

Well I said in another thread that, when TI named his album King, guys from all over were getting at him. Same when Kendrick said he was King of NY. A shit ton of NY rappers got at him.

Eminem said he was the GOD...not of Detroit, not of white rappers...of RAP, and to my knowledge, no one said anything.

Like he said on Untitled, emcees get so quiet you can hear a motherfucking dog whistle when I walk by.

No one is gonna get on a record and call out Eminem.

[therapist]

You guys really don't want to get into it with these guys about how you thought Recovery was dope, because they will tear you to shreds in their minds and tell you about how great Relapse is for the millionth time.

I agree though. Recovery was dope IMO. Only misstep was production on a lot of songs, but it was tolerable enough on songs that Ems rapping made the track good still.

Cold Wind Blows, On Fire, Going Through Changes, Seduction, No Love verse, Space Bound, Ridaz, So Bad, Session One, Almost Famous, Untitled are all DOPE.

Before this album cycle came around it seemed a lot worse. Before MMLP 2 was announced it seemed like the entire forum agreed that Recovery was Encore 2 and that his next album was his final strike. Which is odd because offline, from what I've seen and heard -- Encore was strike one, Relapse was strike 2, and Recovery was the album he needed to make to regain his status in the game.

I know one person who leans more towards Relapse, but doesn't trash Recovery. He just gives the edge to Relapse. It's funny because, his all time favorite album is MMLP, mine is TES.

It seems like Eminem has two fan bases. The ones that prefer the MMLP/Relapse combo, and those that prefer the TES/Recovery combo.

I guess with more users joining these past few months, you're gonna get some who prefer Recovery and will dilute the stronghold Relapse had on here.

I think it's great that Eminem fans can be so different. Just speaks to his versatility. He has different categories of fans.

If those are the two fan bases I guess I'm an anomaly... I love MMLP, TES, (my two favorites) AND recovery (sometimes ties with MMLP for #2 depending on my mood).

I absolutely HATE encore. Yeah there are some good songs on there but I thought it was just stupid as fuck to ruin all those good songs with puking and fart noises. I mean... it's funny at first, but in the end as a classic artist you are going to have half of one of what was supposed to be your best albums filled up with SHIT. literally.

Relapse had some really good stuff on it too and honestly I don't mind the fucked up shit, like em said, he is an artist and he just paints the picture of what he was seeing at the time. I can deal with that :P But again, eminem has the potential to really leave the world with something and if he gets as far as the rock n roll hall of fame encore and relapse are going to be essentially black marks on his record...

[therapist]

Like he said on Untitled, emcees get so quiet you can hear a motherfucking dog whistle when I walk by.

No one is gonna get on a record and call out Eminem.

Oh god yes, that line is just so dope.

[kokasov]

Like he said on Untitled, emcees get so quiet you can hear a motherfucking dog whistle when I walk by.

No one is gonna get on a record and call out Eminem.

Oh god yes, that line is just so dope.

Thisthisthis.

[MikeBett]

Im 28...listened to rap since 8 and sslp at 13...I agree with all the Recovery talk on this page. Recovery definetly >>>> Relapse.....I do like relapse tho most of the time...theres been times I think of it as just a lyrical version of encore...but when im in the mood for weird shit I like it...Love the; fuck ya with an umbrella n open it up while the shits inside ya, try to make ya pussy wider' shit lol Definetly had some amazing moments and songs...But Recovery is better

[jshashwat]

I just realized. Eminem is going to be knocked off the Billboard 200 Top Albums chart right on his second week. Gaga's album is expected on November 11th i guess. Who do you think will have higher first week sales? Especially since her last studio album did 1.1 million first week i think. Although i believe that was the case because she sold the album for 1$ or something like that. Anyways it will be interesting to see who is at number 1 on the third week of MMLP 2 release. Since its going to be her second week and his third week. Em hold well on album charts generally.