MMLP2 represents the MMLP well

[EminemBase]

MMLP 2 isn't cohesive, now I've fucking heard everything.

Who said MMLP2 isn't cohesive?

[Kill You]

If this album was not named MMLP 2 would you like the album more?

[EminemBase]

If this album was not named MMLP 2 would you like the album more?

Well I do like the album. Quite a lot.

I just don't think it's even in the same artistic discussion as MMLP1. Which I'm not making a point of saying, but since others are saying it, I'm just disputing that.

But never have I said I don't like the album.

A lot of you here can't have an adult discussion about things. You can't like something but still see potential for something else or be slightly disappointed in other ways... you seem to either LIKE or DISLIKE and get emotionally offended if anybody isn't as simplistically divisive lmao.

But yeah I think another title would have suited it better.

[Jimmy Conway]

I never said all art was equal. I never said that these albums were equal. I said the quality of the MMLP2 was closer to the MMLP than I thought it would be. He never was trying to recapture the sound of the MMLP. He was trying to recapture the passion, dedication, quality, desire, motivation, fun he was having during that time and he did a pretty good job of that, better than you would expect from someone that just made a Recovery album.


And of course you come in here with a big post of ripping everything apart. It wouldn't be so bad if your logic wasn't so annoying, beaten into the ground and most of the time either nonsensical or missing the point of whatever you were responding to.

[Kill You]

If this album was not named MMLP 2 would you like the album more?

Well I do like the album. Quite a lot.

I just don't think it's even in the same artistic discussion as MMLP1. Which I'm not making a point of saying, but since others are saying it, I'm just disputing that.

But never have I said I don't like the album.

A lot of you here can't have an adult discussion about things. You can't like something but still see potential for something else or be slightly disappointed in other ways... you seem to either LIKE or DISLIKE and get emotionally offended if anybody isn't as simplistically divisive lmao.

But yeah I think another title would have suited it better.

It's fine if you feel that way but I was simply asking a question lol.

[Mr Change]

Feeling a GOAT debate coming tbh,

[EminemBase]

I never said all art was equal. I never said that these albums were equal. I said the quality of the MMLP2 was closer to the MMLP than I thought it would be. He never was trying to recapture the sound of the MMLP. He was trying to recapture the passion, dedication, quality, desire, motivation, fun he was having during that time and he did a pretty good job of that, better than you would expect from someone that just made a Recovery album.


And of course you come in here with a big post of ripping everything apart. It wouldn't be so bad if your logic wasn't so annoying, beaten into the ground and most of the time either nonsensical or missing the point of whatever you were responding to.

No, he said it was a re-visitation to the themes of MMLP.

Which, tbh it wasn't.

There's the odd line (Rap God, Asshole) or couple of moments about MMLP-esque stuff but it's very light references and nothing more. There's no re-visitation.

Which I don't care about but just be honest about what you're describing. Stop pretending something is something it's clearly not.

[kkaniff]

"MMLP2 feels cohesive due to the great
production quality and track
placement. Nothing more"
Even without those, each track still feels like parts of a whole. For example, "Take it back to what got me here" on Asshole leading into "Take it back to hip hop and start it from scratch" on Berzerk.
Every song directly leads to the next, and with a few exceptions, every following song shows just a little maturity culminating in Headlights which is prolly the most mature song on the album.
IMO thats the point of MMLP 2, showing just how much he has grown and matured.

[_Hawk_]

Embase, JC is right.

The revisit implies that he is using the original as a basis for this artistic project, but applying his contemporary outlook. That is why it sounds so different. He is in a completely different headspace both in terms of his age, but also artistically.

He uses his one piece of work that haunts his current success so much and flips it.

He does a great job.

[Jimmy Conway]

"As much as it is a revisitation – like this is a different time period in my life. So there's not gonna be like, continuations of every song or anything like that. To me, it's more about the vibe and the nostalgia."

Nostalgia

Quote from Me

"He was trying to recapture the passion, dedication, quality, desire, motivation, fun he was having during that time "

He never said he was going to make a cd full of Kill you and criminal 2s. He never said he was going to reference the original every other line.

He references the first album a lot, most of it being subtle.

I can see the revisit in it. And the best thing about it, it doesn't jump right in your face. It doesn't feel desperate. It doesn't feel like someone struggling trying to leech off better times. It feels like someone motivated, older, but smarter, someone wanting to make a album that has that feel of the old Em, one that couldn't mess up. And he's done an amazing job.

He didn't trick us. He didn't promise us anything he didn't come through on.


He looks like MMLP, the album looks like MMLP, the beats, do the sound like MMLP, no, and they shouldn't. Em is progressive. The day he starts beating a dead horse like every other aging MC is the day he should just stay in that mansion and be quiet. He didn't copy the sound. But he did REVIST the quality, the time invested in making the beats fit. Same with the lyrics, he has sprinkled references and quotes everywhere, in a classy way, not a reaching, desperate. But the lyrics have that MMLP fire, that you can tell he spent many hours on.

The MMLP is in this album. But he doesn't allow it to overshadow the man he is now, he just used it to give us one more amazing album.

[_Hawk_]

MMLP is just a metaphor for greatness.

[EminemBase]

Embase, JC is right.

The revisit implies that he is using the original as a basis for this artistic project, but applying his contemporary outlook. That is why it sounds so different. He is in a completely different headspace both in terms of his age, but also artistically.

He uses his one piece of work that haunts his current success so much and flips it.

He does a great job.

But why do you say sound different... like at any point I said I wanted it to sound the same? In fact I've been one of the most consistent members on this board who constantly emphasizes his wish for Em to constantly sound different.

What you're describing... how does he not do that on TES, on Recovery?

Eminem always does that ANYWAY, so that is not unique to MMLP2.

What is unique to Marshall Mathers LP 1 is the LACK of balance, the LACK of 'this and that' kind of song... so if you're not going to have that single-mindedness... that's fine, but then why call it MMLP2. Em always writes about his fame and his views, how does that make it MMLP2 lol.

[EminemBase]

"MMLP2 feels cohesive due to the great
production quality and track
placement. Nothing more"
Even without those, each track still feels like parts of a whole. For example, "Take it back to what got me here" on Asshole leading into "Take it back to hip hop and start it from scratch" on Berzerk.
Every song directly leads to the next, and with a few exceptions, every following song shows just a little maturity culminating in Headlights which is prolly the most mature song on the album.
IMO thats the point of MMLP 2, showing just how much he has grown and matured.

That was supposedly the point of TES... Encore (despite fart and poop) and Recovery too...

That's just what you're all saying because you can't pin a consistent concept. Because there isn't one.

Quit looking for a fucking reason for it that ain't there.

In reality Em tried to give you that MMLP feel with some tracks like 'Rhyme or Reason', 'Rap God' and 'Evil Twin' but no longer feels comfortable making an album without a balance of all kinds of sounds of tracks and all sides of his life and opinions... so he treated it like any other album and had somber songs, upbeat songs, aggressive songs etc.

[_Hawk_]

I don't understand how MMLP2 is imbalanced bar the Interscope-singles.

Headlights and STIW may be the antipathy of Kim, but they are balanced in showing his current state of mind.

This is emphasised in Bad Guy's last verse.

Whilst hearing a lyrical shit storm like brainless before STIW seems like a 180, it is still Em being honest. Just because his feelings aren't anger does not mean the album is imbalanced.

SSLP is the best example. Rock Bottom and If I Had are like polar opposites of SDGAF et al in terms of style and delivery, but they still present Em's thoughts.
He has always done this.
The MMLP is unique in the sense that it lacks a soft-feeling track. This isn't to say that Kim lacks emotion, but you are focusing too much on the sonic style, rather than what Em is actually saying.

[EminemBase]

I don't understand how MMLP2 is imbalanced bar the Interscope-singles.

Headlights and STIW may be the antipathy of Kim, but they are balanced in showing his current state of mind.

This is emphasised in Bad Guy's last verse.

Whilst hearing a lyrical shit storm like brainless before STIW seems like a 180, it is still Em being honest. Just because his feelings aren't anger does not mean the album is imbalanced.

SSLP is the best example. Rock Bottom and If I Had are like polar opposites of SDGAF et al in terms of style and delivery, but they still present Em's thoughts.
He has always done this.
The MMLP is unique in the sense that it lacks a soft-feeling track. This isn't to say that Kim lacks emotion, but you are focusing too much on the sonic style, rather than what Em is actually saying.

Huh? When did I say MMLP 2 is imbalanced?... that's my point lol.

MMLP 1 isss Imbalanced and that's what makes it MMLP. It's intentionally singleminded and lacking balance, it feels like an attack in one direction.

MMLP 2 is a balanced album, which breaks its feel from the original.

And you are right about SSLP - where is that track on MMLP 1?

I defy you to name that balance on MMLP 1. You won't be able to. Because that is what separates MMLP and what makes MMLP unique. He had a single artistic vision and was fearless in executing it start to finish with no insecurity or need to satisfy different potential listener groups.

And this is the main point everybody seems to be glossing over / missing about the original.