5 Reasons Eminem Will Never Be My Idol [PolicyMic Article]

[OnurCanRecords]

Horsebot3K made this thread worth reading.

Seriously though, people who can't fathom why a male would be a feminist for other reasons than "lololol trying to get in women's pants so beta" have issues. If as a man, you absolutely cannot think of your relationships with women in other terms than whether or not you would have sex with them then you're pretty messed up.

Regarding the whole survival of the fittest thing: we're more than fucking animals trying to survive, we're human beings trying to live actually decent lives. Pretending to follow the so-called rules of nature won't cut it if you consider that.

Are you religious? I guess you are. We actually are just animals trying to survive. Your desire to live your decent lives is because you know that when you have more (possessions), you can survive easier. It used to be sharp stones to kill other animals, now it's all about the laptop I'm using right now. We love this laptop because we get information from it, which makes it easier to survive.

Why am I on an Eminem forum? Because I like music, just like an ape likes bananas. Music makes you feel all kinds of emotions (like your mother f.e.) so you start to trust it. Eminems music speaks the most to me, gives the most emotions (comedy; laughing) so I'm here supporting Em. At least, that's why I would even bother spending my time on this forum. That's why you are here too. Supporting something that makes you happy.

Basically, everything we do is in our own favor. That's why we do it. Yes, it's the 21st century and humans are so developed that they start to do more and more just for pleasure. These days, there's enough food storaged in your local market so you won't have to go hunting or harvest grain haha others have done that for you, but you still need to put the same effort toe eat it. You have to work for money (which basically is representation of your effort) to buy it. You might need to put more effort to get some food than other food. See, basically back to the beginning. The process is way different but eventually after all, you are doing the same as your grandfathers 20,000 years ago. Just in a different way.

I hope the example was clear, I just try to make my point. I'd totally understand it if you don't agree but this is basically how I view life.

[biscuitsbrah]

kkaniff. How is male superiority a myth? Sure I sound chauvinistic and misogynistic or whatever but its the truth. Are you to seriously tell me that men arent better than women at almost everything? If you were to objectively look at the elite levels of every single field in existence. Would you not say men are leading this race? Sure men have had a large head start, but how do you think we have created this head start in the first place... Obviously by being superior, dominant, and the leader in almost every field, thats how. You think men and women weren't born with equal opportunity when homo sapiens were created? And that somewhere along the way the men got the advantage, not by luck, but by clearly being the dominant, superior gender? How can you seriously argue with this logic? You certainly cant when it comes to physicality and from the evidence presented you cant speak on mentally or emotionally either. For centuries men have been the ones doing the majority of the work, going to war, providing for the family. And this was WAY before modern civilization as well.

Look, this is not an attack on women. Women are great and fun to be around. They should be treated with equal respect. But its simply the harsh reality that is human nature. Everything from comedy, to business, to IQ, to EQ, to revolution, to innovation have all been created and dominated by men. If this is not proof of superiority then I dont know what is.

P.S. Men being superior does not mean men are "better", it simply means we have more power, thus more responsibility in this world. An exaggerated example would be a parent to a child. Neither one is better than the other, just one has more expected of them. I do not expect much from a child, from being mentally, physically, or emotionally superior. But I do from the adult.

"From those to whom much is given, much is expected." -Eminem (jk)

[Blackquill]

@OnurCanRecords

I'm actually an atheist and I'm not sure what gave you the wrong idea about me here.

Survival is about having your basic needs fulfilled. It is about literally not dying. Anything beyond that is beyond mere survival. And fortunately as human beings we don't think that just not dying is enough to be satisfied, we want to lead actually fulfilling, enjoyable lives, both individually and as members of society.

I'm indeed here supporting and discussing an artist and his music that contributes to my happiness. However, I don't place these things on the same level as my basic needs for survival. In other words, if I were starving for example, they would probably be the least of my worries. As you said, music makes me happy, but that's a different thing from me just being alive. So in that sense, here I am, like a lot of other people, doing more than just surviving, because that has basically been taken care of, and there is more to life. Things are indeed mostly as you described: society has organized survival for most (sadly, not all) people, which is why most of us can afford to turn their attention to things beyond ensuring their mere existence. That's what I meant when I said that we were doing more than just surviving.

Now I feel I've digressed quite a bit but the point was that there is little sense in trying to ground gender-based discrimination (or any other kind really) in some natural order of things, because we have moved beyond being animals defined by biology; rather it's mostly the rules of society that determine how we live our lives and how we do more than just surviving. These rules exist for actual reasons, but those have more to do with tradition and power than with the way nature works.

[biscuitsbrah]

You men have a strong disconnect from the way things SHOULD be to the way things ACTUALLY are. Sure men and women SHOULD be equal, in fact all human beings SHOULD have an equal income, equal intellect, equal physical abilities, equal capabilities, equal level of attractiveness, and live in equal houses with equal rights. But thats not how the reality checks out to be is it. Same thing for women and men.

Please feminists. I challenge you to name one thing, just one thing women are better at then men. (Has to be at least slightly important) And no, it cant be making babies.

[kkaniff]

"Sure men have had a large
head start"
^ This.
...
"You think men
and women weren't born with equal
opportunity when homo sapiens were
created?"
Nope, men had/have the testosterone-fuelled denser musclulature and athlecism suited to hunting/gathering and thus dominated the field. Also wars, men were/are more suited to physical violence and therefore conquest. Men have literally been running shit until fairly recently.
...
I agree (mostly) with physicality, denser musculature and increased physicality are almost a male secondary sexual characteristic.
Male dominance in innovation/ other fields could be ascribed to the rather large head start we got.
Strongly disagree about I.Q and Emotional Intelligence.

[Blackquill]

@blackquill
I'm of a similar mindset, I'm never going to describe myself as feminist though, it sounds gay and kinda prejudiced, why can't it be called equalist?

My guess is that the term wouldn't reflect the entirety of the idea and would omit the reality that currently exists, resulting in criticism from a "realist" point of view. While it is ultimately beneficial to men, feminist theory is focused on the study and criticism of patriarchy, because it is a fact that patriarchy is what's there. Also, acknowledging the different identities helps to clarify that the aim is to defend equality while taking them into account, not to argue that everyone is or should be the same.

[biscuitsbrah]

"Sure men have had a large
head start"
^ This.
...
"You think men
and women weren't born with equal
opportunity when homo sapiens were
created?"
Nope, men had/have the testosterone-fuelled denser musclulature and athlecism suited to hunting/gathering and thus dominated the field. Also wars, men were/are more suited to physical violence and therefore conquest. Men have literally been running shit until fairly recently.
...
I agree (mostly) with physicality, denser musculature and increased physicality are almost a male secondary sexual characteristic.
Male dominance in innovation/ other fields could be ascribed to the rather large head start we got.
Strongly disagree about I.Q and Emotional Intelligence.

The proof is in the pudding my friend. Male IQ averages to female IQ averages. EQ as well. How did our physicality make us the dominant gender when money, invention, laws of motion, gravitation, optics were invented? The theory of relativity? Mathematics? Sport? Communication? Scientific breakthroughs? The Internet? Computers? All men.
You did not explain how being physically superior suddenly made us intellectually and emotionally lightyears ahead of women.

[RoleModel'Est96]

You did not explain how being physically superior suddenly made us intellectually and emotionally lightyears ahead of women.

[biscuitsbrah]

Us as a gender. Every time I bring up a valid point you feminists with zero logic refer to strawman fallacies. Feminist logic, Not even once.
Its ok. Your delusions of females being equals will serve you no good in this life. Just hope you are prepared for a lifetime of disappointment stemming from your disillusionment of equality
Either way im on top of the social hierarchy. (Not even because im a man.) I was just trying to bring some sense into your world.

[Trimss]

So Much Better >

keep hating on hoes bro

[PAINKILLƎR]

I have a penis

[RoleModel'Est96]

I have a penis

youre safe in this thread
I gots to go

[biscuitsbrah]

Us as a gender. Every time I bring up a valid point you feminists with zero logic refer to strawman fallacies. Feminist logic, Not even once.
Its ok. Your delusions of females being equals will serve you no good in this life. Just hope you are prepared for a lifetime of disappointment stemming from your disillusionment of equality
Either way im on top of the social hierarchy. (Not even because im a man.) I was just trying to bring some sense into your world.

Yeahhhhhh your attitude will get you nowhere

"some sense into the world"
"on top of the social hierarchy"

1. You're on a forum, as far as I'm concerned, being tough here doesn't equal you being on top of the social hierarchy.
2. you're not in the position to hate on females, you can't even talk to them without having them spit in your face. Eminem is a God, he can hate on hoes all he wants,

you're just being stupid

1. Im just tired of debating while people here constantly use logical fallacies instead of addressing the actual post. If you read my previous posts you would understand.
2. At what point did I "hate" on females? Once again no logic by people with 0 reading comprehension. Nice try.
I cant believe an eminem forum of all places is filled with feminists with no actual logic.
How ironic, that id be the bad guy. Kryptonite, the green chronic.

[kkaniff]

^ Dude, most of your points have been adressed, the ones that haven't been touched i.e the "men are superior in every way" talk cannot be proven in any way.
Show me statistics and studies and you'll have a point, making such sweeping generalizations based on personal experience simply will not do.
You understand?

[biscuitsbrah]

^ Dude, most of your points have been adressed, the ones that haven't been touched i.e the "men are superior in every way" talk cannot be proven in any way.
Show me statistics and studies and you'll have a point, making such sweeping generalizations based on personal experience simply will not do.
You understand?

Meh. Its your duty to bring the statistics since men have invented pretty much everything. Its pretty obvious important men > important women in history. But whatever lmao.