MMLP2 General Discussion

[EminemBase]

People putting MMLP 2 so low on their list

it's in my top 3 for sure, what more could you ask for?

Top 3? Lel, nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

You think MMLP2 is better than MMLP or TES?... or SSLP?

I think a lot of fans here disregard SSLP easily as they forget the initial impact and don't listen to it all that often. But just seriously put it on again now and listen to what a cohesive and amazing album it is and tell me MMLP2 is better lal.

MMLP2 has some better songs but it's nowhere near the album. SSLP has a sound, an identity; a memorable style start to finish which solidifies it as one body of work... where as MMLP2 goes from stadium rap-rock to slow-love-emo-rap to pop-rock-rap to fkn trance-rap... those kind of albums never work to me. Just sounds like a collection of songs, not an album, all the songs are good by themselves but don't make sense together, and the music doesn't even match the aesthetic - as it sounds crisp and modern and sometimes even surreal but then you have that grey old jungle house and feel... doesn't match.

Where as SSLP does entirely. The whole effect of SSLP's music, look and feel is consistent.

[kkaniff]

MMLP2 >> SSLP
^ You're obsessed with cohesion.
Let's not act like SSLP didn't have Rock Bottom and My Name Is.
Or If I Had and Cum On Everybody.
There's absolutely nothing in common between those two.
MMLP2 has as much of a theme as SSLP, or Relapse.

[EminemBase]

MMLP2 >> SSLP
^ You're obsessed with cohesion.
Let's not act like SSLP didn't have Rock Bottom and My Name Is.
Or If I Had and Cum On Everybody.
There's absolutely nothing in common between those two.
MMLP2 has as much of a theme as SSLP, or Relapse.

Yeah I am, because cohesion makes an album feel consistent and makes a classic.

All classics have weak songs, but they feel ''classic'' because the weak songs feel like they belong, so it just feels like one musical journey with different tones, rather than shit which badly sticks out.

"Rock Bottom" and "My Name Is" completely sound like the rest of the album. It's one sound, one style.

The beats sound like one family of beats and his rap style is the same throughout.

Where as MMLP2... where is ANY relation between "The Monster" and "Rap God"... one is like dizzying, socio-political rap with a spitfire flow and trance-rap beat - the other is a Recovery-esque, rough rap style with a pop-rock chorus and light jittery beat... they sound of totally different worlds. As do most the songs.

So how does that feel like one journey... I think it takes you out of the musical ride and it feels like a mixtape - that's the point of a mixtape - a showcase of different styles and sounds to be a nice collective of songs. The point of an album is to provide a consistent musical feel, for the songs to feel as one.

It'd be like watching a film with a bunch of totally different styles of dialogues and tones.

How does MMLP2 have more of a concept. It's just a lazy title to refer to the idea of him re-approaching some of those themes with a new perspective. Where as SSLP was an introduction to a persona and a world.

It's not the themes of the songs I'm saying need to be cohesive. Just the sound. Of everything.

[Just Silver]

Sslp is way better imo

[kkaniff]

@EminemBase
Does Recovery feel cohesive to you?
I agree with your point about the production on the SSLP sounding like it's from a family.
It's probably due to it being mostly produced by the Bass brothers, while MMLP2 has production from up to 6.
That aside though, I think the MMLP2 is a more impressive artistic effort, and gets its coherence from the fact that Em stays in character throughout, or rather from the fact that all his personas seem to blend into each other.
Which was kind of the point.
Dunno if that made any sense.

[Just Silver]

Recovery doesn't really sound cohesive either tbh

[Shpongle]

Sslp is way better imo

It is better than MMLP2, TES, MMLP and SSLP are classics, even though MMLP2 is a great album and the best since TES it's not a classic in my book

[Just Silver]

Some of mmlp2 belongs in an official mixtape with the wide variety of songs

[Notalius]

Base, don't act like MMLP is cohesive as fuck. You got so many styles, songs and different concepts combined. People make it out to be that cohesive when it's not. It's just an amazing project and one of the best ever.

[EminemBase]

@EminemBase
Does Recovery feel cohesive to you?
I agree with your point about the production on the SSLP sounding like it's from a family.
It's probably due to it being mostly produced by the Bass brothers, while MMLP2 has production from up to 6.
That aside though, I think the MMLP2 is a more impressive artistic effort, and gets its coherence from the fact that Em stays in character throughout, or rather from the fact that all his personas seem to blend into each other.
Which was kind of the point.
Dunno if that made any sense.

Nope. Because the production is fucking awful. I think if Recovery had top-to-bottom Em and Bass bro production... kind of ''No Apology'' (strings, pianos) style start to finish that it would be a pure classic. He wasted top-tier songs on trash beats from hacks.

There's a kind of similarity in the production all being... rock-rap and loud and there's definitely a consistent rap style start to finish - but the production is really messy and forgettable, so the memory of Recovery just feels like some fuzzy, blurry annoying experience, it's too muddled to sound like anything.

And no Em doesn't stay in character. Is the character on "Rap God'' the same as "Stronger Than I Was" then? That's his problem lately - he breaks character, which makes the music change, because the music has to match the character.

That's not even the point anyway. Breaking character or different ideas or tones or themes is not what I am talking about. I am purely talking about the style and sound of the music. The Monster for example sounds SO different in style and vibe than say... Rhyme or Reason. It's not just a slightly different vibe, it may as well be an album of its own. It's total chalk and cheese in sound and feel. And this is what breaks the experience of an album and makes it just another batch of songs vs. a consistent experience.

All MMLP songs have the same vibe, yet are unique. They all sound like... as Em himself put it ''one thought'', so he even agrees with the importance of cohesion and thinks it matters but yet puts songs like "Stronger Than I Was" and "Brainless" together. And before you justify the theme / concept of the song: again - I am not talking about what he says on the song or why it's there. Just purely how it sounds and the style and difference to the ears, musically.

[Just Silver]

Base, don't act like MMLP is cohesive as fuck. You got so many styles, songs and different concepts combined. People make it out to be that cohesive when it's not. It's just an amazing project and one of the best ever.

You can at least tell they were all intended for that album

[Notalius]

Base, don't act like MMLP is cohesive as fuck. You got so many styles, songs and different concepts combined. People make it out to be that cohesive when it's not. It's just an amazing project and one of the best ever.

You can at least tell they were all intended for that album

Not really at Stan. Flow wise yeah, but concept wise, and the overall feel not really. Drug Ballad sounds like a SSLP leftover. Bitch Please 2 sounds like it was intended for 2001.

[EminemBase]

Base, don't act like MMLP is cohesive as fuck. You got so many styles, songs and different concepts combined. People make it out to be that cohesive when it's not. It's just an amazing project and one of the best ever.

But it is cohesive as fuck.

The songs sound like one family.

You can have different tweaks of music style if the songs still have a similar effect and the style is overpowering.

Kill You... Who Knew... Criminal... you kidding me? You telling me those don't feel like musical cousins? I'd love for you to pit two songs together like I keep doing with MMLP2 songs and lel at them like them existing on the same album is ridiculous. You'll have a hard time, because all the MMLP songs work together.

His thoughts and how he comes across is very prominent on MMLP, the music is sparse and his rapping is very loud, very clear and driving the music - and because he is so consistent and in-character on every song but also so consistent with HOW he is rapping (MMLP2 he raps different on nearly every song) - it sounds like one style of communication, and one journey, with one purpose. Not a bunch of random tracks.

And there is a consistence in the production with how the drums sound and the effect they have on your ears, the whole album sounds like one session and one piece of work - everything down to the little intros to the sound effects / background commentary, to the funky melodies with similar drum patterns. It's all as one.

And then the actual production is cohesive. Even though you have like guitar on "Marshall Mathers" and piano on "Kill You" - the beats all sound menancing, and sparse. They have such similarity in their DNA in how they make you feel, how they sound to your ears that the production, again, feels as one.

Does "Kill You" production (beginning of the album) not feel as one with "Criminal" production to you?

Where as... "Rhyme or Reason" vs. "The Monster"? Lel.

MMLP beats all have a menance, they match the consistent aggression and thought-style of Eminem, and his thought style and rap style is what drives the music. So yes, it does feel cohesive as fuck.

On MMLP2 he's very mature and realistic in some places... abstract and angry in others... silly in others... it's just every side of Eminem and every possible style of music of totally different worlds. Just felt like he couldn't decide on a sound so he just decided to do every sound he could do.

[kkaniff]

"angry in others... silly in others... it's
just every side of Eminem and every
possible style of music of totally
different worlds. Just felt like he
couldn't decide on a sound so he just
decided to do every sound he could
do."
I thought that was the point?

[sbolli1]

Embase's MMLP2 cohesion talk is starting to get more annoying than his "last 3 songs on Relapse" cohesion talk.