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Postby AspirinE » Sep 5th, '06, 17:50

I mentioned Rakim, cos your always bringin him into shit and boasting about him and i don't say shit, cos i'm also a fan and not a hater, but, i could pick on you when you say shit positive about someone.


Fine pic on me, thats the whole point of discussion about artists. or should i just gasp in amazement and say how great eminem is?

When there`s not any new Eminem music except for a few collabs and bits n pieces, there's not much to mention or talk about, just thought this would be something to say. It was aimed at the Eminem fans, why do i always end up arguing with you? (That's a rhetorical question)


I simply discussed the matter, why the hostility, read my first post i simply stated that its not too hard to rhyme it. What wrong is there in this?
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Postby 4D » Sep 5th, '06, 17:58

The fuck are u so amazed about


^That was when hostile started.

You try to put people down and make them look like idiots to make yourself feel good.

I'm sick of coming on this site and getting attacked when i admire something about Eminem.

Posts me a Rakim song with the lyrics and i'll give you an honest review.
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Postby AspirinE » Sep 5th, '06, 18:04

FORDIE wrote:
The fuck are u so amazed about


^That was when hostile started.

You try to put people down and make them look like idiots to make yourself feel good.

I'm sick of coming on this site and getting attacked when i admire something about Eminem.

Posts me a Rakim song with the lyrics and i'll give you an honest review.



Wen u said "if Eminem hadn`t did it, people mightn`t have found it so easy to do." i decided to reply, i stated that its not a hard thing to do, and its obvious it isnt.

so u just crossed out the other artists and said tha rest should take notes.

I say "fuck" in almost all my posts and expressions, doesnt mean i was "looking down" on you. "attacked" lmao, u get pissed off everytime, wen someone with an alternative view, has the ability to discuss something.

ive replied to many threads, in many i complimented eminem, in many i discussed the negatives, people like u only see the replies that are on opposite side.
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Postby 4D » Sep 5th, '06, 18:19

When i said 'people mightn`t find it so easy' i meant the people replying in the thread, not other rappers. You know i have a great respect for a lot of the great lyricists out there, but, i was talking about Eminem, i wasn`t talking about the others. It was something i noticed Eminem do, i`m sure almost every rapper can put the word orange into rhymes. I just didn`t see them do it, partly because a lot of them never felt the need to or heard of that bogus fact, partly because a lot of rappers didn`t put the effort into their rhymes that Eminem did.

P.s I do notice the positive things you say, sometimes the negative far out weighs the plus though, but, that`s your prerogative.
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Postby AspirinE » Sep 5th, '06, 18:33

FORDIE wrote:When i said 'people mightn`t find it so easy' i meant the people replying in the thread, not other rappers. You know i have a great respect for a lot of the great lyricists out there, but, i was talking about Eminem, i wasn`t talking about the others. It was something i noticed Eminem do, i`m sure almost every rapper can put the word orange into rhymes. I just didn`t see them do it, partly because a lot of them never felt the need to or heard of that bogus fact, partly because a lot of rappers didn`t put the effort into their rhymes that Eminem did.



no significance in the praise thats why i reply and only for that reason. I even said it that i have no doubt in his talent in this thread. u cant be not talking bout the others, wen in this thread u abstract eminem from other artists, i just filled in the balance. About effort of rappers, im pretty sure u look more into eminems rhymes than any others, so that wuld be a biased view.

P.s I do notice the positive things you say, sometimes the negative far out weighs the plus though, but, that`s your prerogative.


Riiiiight.... :roll: I can state the same opinion on any artist out there. If most of the stuff eminem put this year too great obviously the replies will be adiquet. Wen comparing an artist to an artist ill take the side of the artists that think are greater but that dont mean i rate Em less coz i "hate him".
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Postby 4D » Sep 5th, '06, 18:55

No, but, when you`re saying somebody`s greater you need to be able to back it up. I just don`t think there is anybody greater, there are some rappers that are better than him in certain ways, but, on an overally package, he`s hard bet, and that`s not being biased.

I`ve listened to everything Rakim, 2Pac, Biggie, Big L, Big Pun, etc has done, and on an overall standard, they can`t beat him. He`s never gonna get the respect he deserves, cos Pac & Biggie were immortalised by their deaths, and in the hip-hop community black hip-hop fans idolise their black hip-hop heroes, i`m not sayin it`s racist it`s just he`s never gonna get that status and maybe it is a little about his skin shade. I know you`re gonna say 'I`m not black' but, i think you sometimes go with the popular consensus, cos you know who the critics praise.
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Postby AspirinE » Sep 5th, '06, 19:19

Ohh please, the black/white shit again? if eminem wasnt white, nobody wouldnt have noticed him, hed be just a good rapper, like every other one. People would still pay more attention to the rappers with more attention. Thats the reason people shouldnt rule out a greatest, coz any view is biased.
Racist lmao.. youre doing "BLACK MUSIC" get ready to face critisism, its just how it is. In the end Eminem IS accepted, but not all people are U fordie, not all people see his Farting sounds on the microphone and songs like fack, big weenie, club singles as genius.

You dont know wat im gonna say and u dont know wat my opinion is unless i state it, and u cant generalise me. My opinion on hip hop has nothing to do with critics, coz quite frankly I DONT READ WAT CRITICS HAVE TO SAY. neither do i read mags on hip hop or dress to fit in to be more HIP HOP or try to abstract myself. I just love the music, and i say wats on my mind after i hear the record. Dont like it, deal with it. Coz if i think the track couldve been better or just doesnt cheese it this time, ima say exactly how it is to me.
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Postby 4D » Sep 5th, '06, 19:52

He wouldn`t be just a good rapper man, he`d have more respect than he does now, even the great Rakim said that. He said if Eminem was black he`d be like Muhammad Ali. You have to recognise that the white thing helped him sell records and reach a bigger audience but has hurt him in other ways.

I`m gonna break it down, how i rate the great rappers.
First I`m gonna say what i think are some of Eminems weaknesses. His voice, A lot of rappers have much cooler voices, even though on some songs i think his voice is great and His crazy shit lately, too childish (I don`t adore the fart and puke noises actually),

I think Rakims flow is untouchable, but, has he written a track like Nas`s 'Rewind', Commons 'Used To Love her' or Eminem`s 'Stan'? Conceptual rhymes, stories that break boundaries, maybe 'Mystery', but, not on the same level as the forementioned. Can he make catchy hooks? Is he funny. What i`m sayin is he`s a little bit one dimensional, and even though his tracks are amazing sometimes, they get boring quickly because every track is too similar, needs diversity.
Big Pun's the same, awesome rhymes, genius flow and aggressive cool voice. But no storytelling or conceptual rhymes really or anything extra special like that.
SAme can be said for Pac and Biggie, GReat flows, cool hip-hop voices, but, in terms of breaking boundaries and inspiring disbelief, not really.

Eminem has had success in every facet of hip-hop, battles, Lyrical skill, Freestyle, Story, Conceptual, Funny, Personal, Conscious, chart hits, even on a club level, plus he makes his own beats.

There`s a lot of 'Very Good rappers', but, none of them would be able to claim all of the above.

I`m goin to bed now man, cheers for the debate, :D
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Postby AspirinE » Sep 5th, '06, 20:23

He wouldn`t be just a good rapper man, he`d have more respect than he does now, even the great Rakim said that. He said if Eminem was black he`d be like Muhammad Ali. You have to recognise that the white thing helped him sell records and reach a bigger audience but has hurt him in other ways.


thats your assumtion, if eminem was balck he wouldnt rhyme about the same stuff, like saying hes hated coz hes white. He wouldnt have as much mainstream coverage, that for sure.

I`m gonna break it down, how i rate the great rappers.
First I`m gonna say what i think are some of Eminems weaknesses. His voice, A lot of rappers have much cooler voices, even though on some songs i think his voice is great and His crazy shit lately, too childish (I don`t adore the fart and puke noises actually), I think Rakims flow is untouchable, but, has he written a track like Nas`s 'Rewind', Commons 'Used To Love her' or Eminem`s 'Stan'? Conceptual rhymes, stories that break boundaries, maybe 'Mystery', but, not on the same level as the forementioned. Can he make catchy hooks? Is he funny.


Does a rapper have to be funnier to be the greatest. Rakim rhymes sound perfect, if he wanted to write a song like stan he would, he lives a different life, grew up in times wen thoughtfull lyrics like in "casualties of war"(a song that eminem cant write) were more on point. He gives a positive image to his comunity, instead of boasting bout drugs and how hes a trouble maker, doesnt diss rappers, or any other artists. I Find that amzing, that makes him NO LESS then eminem. Infact im pretty sure eminem praises his work, like every other hip hop artist.

What i`m sayin is he`s a little bit one dimensional, and even though his tracks are amazing sometimes, they get boring quickly because every track is too similar, needs diversity.


wrong, to u its not different. Every song of his has a moral a subject an inspiration and a certain something that no other could add to the song.

A person that is not an eminem fan might say it the same way, he might say - "my name is", "real slim shad", criminal", "big winnie"etc etc are the same.

Big Pun's the same, awesome rhymes, genius flow and aggressive cool voice. But no storytelling or conceptual rhymes really or anything extra special like that.

Im not even a big fan of Pun, dont really listen to him.

SAme can be said for Pac and Biggie, GReat flows, cool hip-hop voices, but, in terms of breaking boundaries and inspiring disbelief, not really.

Generalizing again. There is a variety of artists for a purpose, coz everybody is good at something, some people stick to it some xperiment, doenst make them more or less equal.

Eminem has had success in every facet of hip-hop, battles, Lyrical skill, Freestyle, Story, Conceptual, Funny, Personal, Conscious, chart hits, even on a club level, plus he makes his own beats.


I can find a rapper in every one of these aspects that would be btter then eminem. And thats because every one of these aspects is not eminems main. Most artists try to push on one style, learn to respect that, and listen to sever artists that have supreme skill in each aspect.

Like u mentioned rakim i can say..

Eminem will never be a poet that 2pac and Nas are
Eminem will never be the weeded out rapper u listen to wen ur high like redman.
Eminem will never right a song likemystery with a concept so deep like rakim.

get wat i mean, once again a matter of pure perspective. THATS WHY ill say again, none of the rappers mentioned are the best.

There`s a lot of 'Very Good rappers', but, none of them would be able to claim all of the above.


U cant generalise hip hop in one person. Eminem can make beats- but there will always be better beats. Eminem can make funny songs - there will always be someone funier, same for other aspects...

Dedication to style is the most priceless. And u cant tell me its not true, coz thats just how it is. Eminem scientifically cant be "the best" by doing everything, coz in the end hell stistically still fail to take the top.

I`m goin to bed now man, cheers for the debate, :D

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Postby Riff1983 » Sep 5th, '06, 21:39

Ahh man, I fucking loved that debate! At the end of the day, it's just everybody's opinions. I think Eminem is fantastic, but that's because I have only really heard his stuff... along with some 2Pac, Bone Thugs and Harmony, Dr. Dre, NWA, 50 Cent, Warren G, Ja Rule, Snoop Dogg and a few others. They're all great in their own individual ways. I think Eminem has a certain way about him - his flows are pretty non-stop sometimes. Like 'Lose Yourself' for example, or 'Forgot About Dre'. I just love it all man, you gotta respect them. :worship:
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Postby 4D » Sep 7th, '06, 14:28

Riff1983 wrote:Ahh man, I fucking loved that debate! At the end of the day, it's just everybody's opinions. I think Eminem is fantastic, but that's because I have only really heard his stuff... along with some 2Pac, Bone Thugs and Harmony, Dr. Dre, NWA, 50 Cent, Warren G, Ja Rule, Snoop Dogg and a few others. They're all great in their own individual ways. I think Eminem has a certain way about him - his flows are pretty non-stop sometimes. Like 'Lose Yourself' for example, or 'Forgot About Dre'. I just love it all man, you gotta respect them. :worship:


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Postby Epidemik » Sep 7th, '06, 18:16

American Psyco

So - lock your doors, drop to the floors
Get your shotguns drawn
here comes another "Clockwork Orange"
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Postby 4D » Sep 7th, '06, 18:35

Epidemik wrote:American Psyco

So - lock your doors, drop to the floors
Get your shotguns drawn
here comes another "Clockwork Orange"


That's a beauty, forgot that one.
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Postby Fi.J. » Sep 8th, '06, 09:43

Shady88 wrote:This only shows that Eminem is a damn genius


word!
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There's a certain mystique when I speak, that you notice that it's sorta unique,
cos you know it's me, my poetry's deep, and I'm still matic the way I flow to this beat, you can't sit still, it's like tryin to smoke crack and go to sleep, I'm strapped

PROOF RIP..
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Postby mrhemp2 » Sep 9th, '06, 09:45

Interesting post...I guess I never noticed it even though I know all the lyrics. He's not a God for rhyming orange, but definitely genius in his pronounciation manipulation...
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