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12/31/07 - Ripping MP3s Is Grounds For Lawsuit

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12/31/07 - Ripping MP3s Is Grounds For Lawsuit

Postby IceAxe » Jan 2nd, '08, 00:17

You, too, could be sued for thousands of dollars by the major record companies — even if you've never once illegally downloaded music.

That's because at least one lawyer for the Recording Industry Association of America, the Big Four record companies' lobbying arm and primary legal weapon, considers the copying of songs from your own CDs to your own computer, for your own personal use, to be just as illegal as posting them online for all to share, according to a federal lawsuit filed in Arizona.Jeffrey Howell of Scottsdale stands accused of placing 54 music files in a specific "shared" directory on his personal computer that all users of KaZaA and other "peer-to-peer" software could access — pretty standard grounds for an RIAA lawsuit.

However, on page 15 of a supplemental brief responding to the judge's technical questions about the case, the RIAA's Phoenix lawyer, Ira M. Schwartz, states that the defendant is also liable simply for the act of creating "unauthorized copies" — by ripping songs from CDs.Schwartz is a partner in DeConcini McDonald Yetwin & Lacy, the family firm of former Sen. Dennis DeConcini, R-Ariz.

"It is undisputed that Defendant possessed unauthorized copies of Plaintiffs' copyrighted sound recordings on his computer," the brief states. "Virtually all of the sound recordings on Exhibit B are in the '.mp3' format. ... Defendant admitted that he converted these sound recordings from their original format to the .mp3 format for his and his wife's use. ... Once Defendant converted Plaintiffs' recording into the compressed .mp3 format and they are in his shared folder, they are no longer the authorized copies distributed by Plaintiffs."

"I couldn't believe it when I read that," New York lawyer Ray Beckerman told the Washington Post. "The basic principle in the law is that you have to distribute actual physical copies to be guilty of violating copyright. But recently, the industry has been going around saying that even a personal copy on your computer is a violation."

In other words, according to Schwartz's logic, every single person who's ever "ripped" a CD for portable listening on an iPod or other MP3 player could be liable for astronomical damages.

Apple itself estimated earlier this year that only 4 percent of music on iPods worldwide had been purchased through iTunes, implying that most of the rest had been ripped from CDs.

In October, Jammie Thomas, a Minnesota single mother, was ordered to pay the record companies $220,000, or $9,250 for each of 24 songs a jury found she'd shared online.

The RIAA's own Web site is more conciliatory, but implies that the organization reserves the right to go after music "rippers" should it change its mind.

"If you make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings ... you could be held legally liable for thousands of dollars in damages," it plainly states before adding that "transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player won't usually raise concerns so long as the copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own [or] the copy is just for your personal use."

However, Schwartz isn't the only RIAA bigwig who's recently implied that those concerns may be raised more often.

Copying a song you've paid for in CD form is "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy,'" Sony BMG top lawyer Jennifer Pariser testified during cross-examination in the Jammie Thomas case in early October.


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this is stupid, it makes all most everyone with an MP3 player a criminal.
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Re: 12/31/07 - Ripping MP3s Is Grounds For Lawsuit

Postby matz » Jan 2nd, '08, 00:48

i remember in the uk they said they are no going to go after you if you rip music, they got bigger fish to fry
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Re: 12/31/07 - Ripping MP3s Is Grounds For Lawsuit

Postby soperman005 » Jan 2nd, '08, 04:00

thats fucking bullshit. really? im not allowed to put cds that ive purchased onto my fucking ipod?
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Re: 12/31/07 - Ripping MP3s Is Grounds For Lawsuit

Postby Requiem » Jan 2nd, '08, 04:29

what's the world coming too??? next thing u know, there'll be a lawsuit banning people to blog! this is nuts!! :n:
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Re: 12/31/07 - Ripping MP3s Is Grounds For Lawsuit

Postby AspirinE » Jan 2nd, '08, 05:49

Omg, im going to jail for around a million years. Damn it feels good to be a gangster.
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Re: 12/31/07 - Ripping MP3s Is Grounds For Lawsuit

Postby yoshi » Jan 2nd, '08, 13:16

i'll send you cookies. ^




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Re: 12/31/07 - Ripping MP3s Is Grounds For Lawsuit

Postby AspirinE » Jan 2nd, '08, 20:44

yoshi wrote:i'll send you cookies. ^

Ill need loads of milk and davidoff light cigarettes with that while i do my time.



btw. Asp, 'My Baby' is a deep and emotional track :shifty: lmao [i understood like 10% rofl, but i surely feel sorry for the guy in the desert :laughing:]

U got damn right it is, its too adictive.

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Re: 12/31/07 - Ripping MP3s Is Grounds For Lawsuit

Postby yoshi » Jan 2nd, '08, 21:00

sure, anythin you want man. i'll add "My Baby" single as a bonus.
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Re: 12/31/07 - Ripping MP3s Is Grounds For Lawsuit

Postby J Rmix » Jan 4th, '08, 05:40

this article is mostly for limewire users. it said 4 percent of an ipod's music is bought from itunesand i bet that about 40 to 30 of music is down loaded illegaly from places like limewire and bearshare ect.
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Re: 12/31/07 - Ripping MP3s Is Grounds For Lawsuit

Postby Wallace » Jan 8th, '08, 04:14

Lol don't know why try, they will never win the download of songs.
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Re: 12/31/07 - Ripping MP3s Is Grounds For Lawsuit

Postby Hadez » Jan 8th, '08, 19:31

why is it that rippin a CD onto your computer to put on your mp3 play allegedly illegal but the people that make the mp3 player aren't at fault.
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