Death Penalty [Discussion]

[Golden]

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What do you mean by that?

[yoshi]

Hm? That was not my question..i just wondered why you belive we have punishment?

i don't understand your point?

Just cuz the world isnt fair and never have been, why should we settel with that? I belive the world can change and thank God that others belive it to. otherwise the wordl would bee a even more hopeless place.

i didn't say i don't believe that the world can change. it's up to us to start respecting life of others. but if they don't, don't expect me to be the next Jesus and turn the other cheek. and i don't think it's like "to rise above them" and let them live. i can rise above when someone's abusin me. i can rise above a racist who claims to be superior, just because he's white, yellow or baby-blue - i don't care, but really he's just stupid. but i cannot stand when i see all that shit happening around, babies dying because they "cried too loud" or random people getting shot by some idiot who was asked by Satan to do it. if he's mentally ill, there's no need to keep him alive. he generates costs not only as a prison inmate, but also as a psychiatric patient.

the world will always be a hopeless place until people don't change their behaviour. and the change has to be radical, otherwise it won't work.

They dont have less crimes.

i said i don't know. maybe they got, maybe they don't. that's why we should give it a try.

Yes there are laws, but they dont always work.there are a hell lot more poor people in jails then rich people, why do you think its like that?

it's not because of the law itself, it's because of the people. it's never been said that poor people are somehow worse than rich people. it's written that people should be treated equally, no matter what their skin color, religion or social status is. again, it's people who don't respect the laws. don't blame it on laws.

[Golden]

OK. So you mean that people will start respecting others life by killing them?


In statitcs countrys with low penaltys have less crimes, here our maximum is 21 years ( Im not saying thats a good thing) its alot less murder here then in for example the USA.
Im not saying thats the reason, i don`t know. But i think its intresting.

No, but poor people dont have the money to buy them self a good lawyer.

Do you think jurys are a good thing?

[Golden]

And..i meant do you think we hav punishents cuz of revenge or something else?

[yoshi]

OK. So you mean that people will start respecting others life by killing them?

i mean that if there was a death penalty maybe people would think twice before letting themselves go and just kill someone else without any particular reason. right now they don't respect nothing, so maybe the possibility of being sentenced to death would make them think that life is something precious. and it actually makes sense. if you know you've got something to lose, you start think about it and try to avoid losing it.

In statitcs countrys with low penaltys have less crimes, here our maximum is 21 years ( Im not saying thats a good thing) its alot less murder here then in for example the USA.
Im not saying thats the reason, i don`t know. But i think its intresting.

USA is like one big garbage. gangs, immigrants, all mixed up in one country. i don't think USA is a good example. i really don't know how it looks from inside, but from outside.. it looks like no one controls anything there. like i said, one big garbage.

No, but poor people dont have the money to buy them self a good lawyer.

quality = money. i know it's not fair and i hate that fact, but i can't do much. quality of the lawyer doesn't have much in common with death penalty tho. i'm not a lawyer and i ain't got no idea how laws are being made, but maybe there should be some council to establish and decide about that specific topic and in several cases.

Do you think jurys are a good thing?

you mean lawyers and judges or what?..

[Golden]

Yes, i know what you mean, but again, the statitis dont support that thought. Punishment are there for tree reasons. first of all to rehabilitate does who end up in there, to protect the community and to "scare" others, so they wont do the same. Death as a punishment has been used in all ages. And as we can clearly see it doesnt work. People still kill.

Yes, but i just took examples. My point was that in countrys with death as punishment dont have less crimes.

Thats why it dont work..a rich guy/girl can get away with long jail time, but a poor guy (who did the same thing) gets the death penalty. Quality of lawyers have everything to do with death penalty, cuz the fact is that its poor people who mostly sits in death row. And sure its different explenations to that. But one of them are that they dont have money to get a good lawyer.

Jury..mm..when its people who makes the dessicion not the judge?

[Golden]

Yes, and it happens alot.

[Arabian Shady]

i agree in diff aspects -all stated,
i agree wid bar' s pont of view most.
wat abt that which happns in some countries ,like if u steal sumthing they cut of ur hand, do u think its fair to the offender? mayb it was circumstances like him being needy n poor,
does the punishment justify the offence??
peace

[sinemm]

if it was done fairly i would be for it
if they dont kill people who deserve it more than everybody they cant do it to the rest too

but the criminals who commited to unacceptable crimes (like raping babies,killing people intentionally and in bad ways and etc) definetely deserve it even if its bad..

[Robbie G]

In general I disagree with the Death Penalty as it goes against my religious beliefs. I admit though there are times were I could care less if they kill some guy who just committed a terrible crime.

[imarun10]

Its my opinion that the death penalty is an archaic form of punishment that is not necessary for the modern world. A life sentence seems to be just as useful. As long as those odd, violent criminals are seperated from society, the government's job is done. Deciding when a person's life is over is nobody's business no matter what they have done to others.

[jeweler529]

i disagree the death penalty should be gotten rid of cuz if the state kills someone it is no different from that person killing someone everyone thinks because they have more authority its ok but its not

[Xray]

Capital punishment, also called the death penalty, is the execution (putting to death) of a convicted criminal by the state as punishment for crimes known as capital crimes or capital offenses.

What do you guys think of Death Penalty?

I am completely against it!, even if someone deserves it.
It's better if they just torture the person who did they crime, to make him feel how the victims(or families of the victims) feel/felt.

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[SajN]

Capital punishment, also called the death penalty, is the execution (putting to death) of a convicted criminal by the state as punishment for crimes known as capital crimes or capital offenses.

What do you guys think of Death Penalty?

I am completely against it!, even if someone deserves it.
It's better if they just torture the person who did they crime, to make him feel how the victims(or families of the victims) feel/felt.

co sign

I've actually changed my mind now

Now I think that in some cases there should be allowed to kill the "criminal",

[yoshi]

I am completely against it!, even if someone deserves it.
It's better if they just torture the person who did they crime, to make him feel how the victims(or families of the victims) feel/felt.

tortures generate more costs.