All the americans on the site?

[robert20032]

We all know that the well known rappers in the industry are usually from america but i was just wondering, are many of you fans of any english rappers? e.g Dizzee Rascal, Lethal Bizzle.

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

im on off about dizzee some songs i love others i cant stand, into respek ba, loki, stig, akala, sway.

some kano, mitchell brothers and wiley and some boy better known stuff aswell.

im scottish by the way not american, but if your looking for the americans on this site to answer your question 80% of them are extremely close minded when it comes to uk hip hop so dont expect them to even check this section out lol

[Hadez]

i'm american. i'm also not close minded. but i do not listen to UK rap. i don't think it's considerdered close minded when you don't listen to something because you don't know what the hell the person is saying. i don't like the sound of the accent, can't understand half the words with the accent, and don't understand the slang they use because i don't use it. so can i be expected to like it?

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

i'm american. i'm also not close minded. but i do not listen to UK rap. i don't think it's considerdered close minded when you don't listen to something because you don't know what the hell the person is saying. i don't like the sound of the accent, can't understand half the words with the accent, and don't understand the slang they use because i don't use it. so can i be expected to like it?

no but if you try and listen then i wouldnt put you in the 80% i spoke off, people who say they dont listen to uk hip hop then for example i post something and they dont listen to or comment on, i class as close minded. because even if you dont like or understand certain artists or a certain track by an artist, they aint wack so i still think you guys should check it out more, like i said there not wack its not as if they have no flow or simplistic dumbed down music, so i think it deserves a look at and comment on even if you dont like it incase just by chance you find an artist you do understand more and have a more US hip hop influence on there music so you enjoy the blend of styles.


to try and prove the point (but hopefully i get proved wrong and alot of people comment)


akala - why do - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlqjVsW5XRo

akala - carried away - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOezOAICbxI

Dizzee racal - dance wiv me - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GibLntdLiJA

Plan B - mama - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByvQ8ExmXq0


4 sick tracks, imo, and also 4 different styles (well akalas are similiar but the other 2 completely different)

this thread is directly asking the americans to check it, how many comments will these tracks get ? or how many people will even give them the time of day ? hopefully im completely wrong, but imma say bewtween 1 and 2, and the people who do will only do it coz i said they wont.


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on another note, i find your comment a little annoying because you say you dont listen to uk rap coz the accent ect. when you should be judging the artists all individually. some people have more prominint accents and some might just not have clear enough spitting for you guys (especially the fast spitters)

[Tornado]

i'm american. i'm also not close minded. but i do not listen to UK rap. i don't think it's considerdered close minded when you don't listen to something because you don't know what the hell the person is saying. i don't like the sound of the accent, can't understand half the words with the accent, and don't understand the slang they use because i don't use it. so can i be expected to like it?

We could say the same thing for southern US artists, but still the mainstream bumps their shit. There are loads of good UK Rap artists, you just gotta find them, like in America, and accents and slang make rappers unique cos the last thing i want is to hear same style all over the world, and for slang..it varies all over the area. I could understand that you're not used to it being brought up on US Hip-Hop but at the end of the day, country is irrlevant

[Hadez]

@ Bar: i think i've commented on a video that was posted of Akala. i think it was a performance he did on a radio thing, i'm not sure. and i don't disregard their skills because of the accents. they can just as easily be as good as anyone who speaks like i do. i just don't see the sense in persuing artists i can't understand.

@ Tornado: yes the Southern artists have thick accents. the people in the US bump it cuz they understand the accent. there are some southern artists who mumble their words together and i don't know what they're sayin, i don't listen to them either. and like i said before, i'm not saying the UK artists aren't good. but regardless of how good they are, if i can't make out the words, what's the point? and i don't care where they're from, i'll listen to somebody from Mt. Fuji if i understood them. that again is irrelevant to my point. and about the slang, i'm not going to learn the slang used in other countries if i'm not going to use it, just so i can listen to the music.

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

@ Bar: i think i've commented on a video that was posted of Akala. i think it was a performance he did on a radio thing, i'm not sure. and i don't disregard their skills because of the accents. they can just as easily be as good as anyone who speaks like i do. i just don't see the sense in persuing artists i can't understand.

well thats my point, "artists" you cant understand, when you havent listen to all the artists, if your tryna tell me all artists from the same place sound and spit the same then your just looking for esxcuses, people from liverpool sound different than someone from newcastle who sounds different from someone from glasgow who sounds different from someone from london..you get me ?

when i stop hearing the esxcuse "i dont understand the accent in UK hip hop" is when ill stop moaning about americans being close minded, coz it should be "i cant really undestand what akala is saying" and akala aint uk hip hop he's just one artists, so why knock the rest and already have a pre-though opinion that you wont understand it ?

[Robbie G]

Hey bar can you upload Akala's and plan b's best album?

[Hadez]

@ Bar: i think i've commented on a video that was posted of Akala. i think it was a performance he did on a radio thing, i'm not sure. and i don't disregard their skills because of the accents. they can just as easily be as good as anyone who speaks like i do. i just don't see the sense in persuing artists i can't understand.

well thats my point, "artists" you cant understand, when you havent listen to all the artists, if your tryna tell me all artists from the same place sound and spit the same then your just looking for esxcuses, people from liverpool sound different than someone from newcastle who sounds different from someone from glasgow who sounds different from someone from london..you get me ?

when i stop hearing the esxcuse "i dont understand the accent in UK hip hop" is when ill stop moaning about americans being close minded, coz it should be "i cant really undestand what akala is saying" and akala aint uk hip hop he's just one artists, so why knock the rest and already have a pre-though opinion that you wont understand it ?

tell you what. when i'm tired of listening to the songs of people i can understand, i'll hit up the UK.

[Tash8]

so bar let me get this straight, you want hadez to go REALLY out of his way and just keep searching youtube and download albums and shit, just so he can maybe find a rapper that he might understand, please...

i honestly think ur the one being close minded here, i have problems with accents, honestly i can only understand 50% of the shit southern artists speak here so think how much harder it is to listen to U.K. rappers...

like hadez is saying no disrespect to UK rappers, can't judge them but if we can't understand most of them then why both to look for more, it might be a logical fallacy but the percentage in finding a rapper who we can understand is much less than looking for an american rapper...

[Tash8]

here bar, we'll make a deal wit u, or i will, give me a uk rapper with a not so huge accent.

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

so bar let me get this straight, you want hadez to go REALLY out of his way and just keep searching youtube and download albums and shit, just so he can maybe find a rapper that he might understand, please...

i honestly think ur the one being close minded here, i have problems with accents, honestly i can only understand 50% of the shit southern artists speak here so think how much harder it is to listen to U.K. rappers...

like hadez is saying no disrespect to UK rappers, can't judge them but if we can't understand most of them then why both to look for more, it might be a logical fallacy but the percentage in finding a rapper who we can understand is much less than looking for an american rapper...

how is what i said goin really out his (or anyones for that matter) way ? im merely talking about when someone posts a thread, checking it and commenting on it..it takes all of what, 5 minutes ? i couldnt care if the comments were sarcastic jabs at the accent, the fact the person takes the time to listen and not just assume they wont like or understand it, is good enough.

and you ever thought you might not really listen to the music ? coz in all honesty im from scotland, we got a really distinct accent, yet i understand everything any rapper says in any song after at most 4 listens, and thats only on the really really hard accents (like french rapping english). if you aint understanding people from your own country, you really got to pay attention more when you listening to songs


so how about you all stop dodging the simple facts im saying ? coz you cant argue with them coz there true, you all ignore my whole post and are selective on what you like to aknowledge, read what i said again and tell me anything i said is un-reasonable ? labeing a whole country under a couple of artist = wrong, pre-judging music/artists = wrong, judging books by cover = wrong, judging one artist on what another artist sounds like = wrong...


if you lcheck out artists you havent heard off and then decide you cant understand or dont like, thats all well coz its opinion and you listened before making that opinion. hell i listened to soulja boi before i said he sucked, i still check his new songs, why ? coz i listen and give ever song a chance, if your a fan of music and like pursuing new, different and good music thats what you do.


also dont call me close minded, because im not and ive never made any stupid comments for people to think i am, so you just sound like a 5 year old kid in the school yard.

[Tash8]

yes u are close minded because ur doing the same thing that ur saying we do...

ur not putting urself in our shoes, i'm not real great at picking up words easily even when i do listen to a song about 5 times... and listen to it closely, i just have trouble doing that... now it makes it 10x harder with an accent.. sure maybe it's easy for u well congrats man...but not everyone, i'm not gonno go thru the trouble to listen to a song 10 times just to understand it... sure i'll probably enjoy it if i have lyrics in front of me, but i can probably enjoy an american artist song 10x more without lyrics...so yes, i'm ignoring uk rap, why because i dont need to listen to it, i'm not judging it, i'm not saying anything about it, maybe i did before but i stopped...

here's the def of close minded for you
"Intolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others; stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas."

now, ur the one that's not accepting of us just not wanting to have anything to do with uk rap, it's not us that are saying uk rap blows...

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

yes u are close minded because ur doing the same thing that ur saying we do...

ur not putting urself in our shoes, i'm not real great at picking up words easily even when i do listen to a song about 5 times... and listen to it closely, i just have trouble doing that... now it makes it 10x harder with an accent.. sure maybe it's easy for u well congrats man...but not everyone, i'm not gonno go thru the trouble to listen to a song 10 times just to understand it... sure i'll probably enjoy it if i have lyrics in front of me, but i can probably enjoy an american artist song 10x more without lyrics...so yes, i'm ignoring uk rap, why because i dont need to listen to it, i'm not judging it, i'm not saying anything about it, maybe i did before but i stopped...

here's the def of close minded for you
"Intolerant of the beliefs and opinions of others; stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas."

now, ur the one that's not accepting of us just not wanting to have anything to do with uk rap, it's not us that are saying uk rap blows...

once again your being selective, how is it possible for me to be "stubbornly unreceptive to new ideas" when im not trying to embrace new ideas in this discussion ? what new idea have i to embrace ?

so yes, i'm ignoring uk rap, why because i dont need to listen to it

that one ?

nobody needs to listen to anything, if we all went on that mindframe how are we suppose to ever expand our knowledge in music ?

also to say "i aint goni listen to it because i dont have to listen to is" is close minded, trying to get someone to want to listen to something and giving something new a try is the complete opposite..so im the close minded one ?

not accepting that you are not accpeting something, makes me close minded ? but then you not accepting, that im not aaccepting that your not accepting something would then make you the close minded one ? so really your trying to get substance from something that has no substance. like i said im trying to get people more open minded and more willing to embrace a different type of music, im not rejecting any "new ideas" or any statment, fact, or opinion in the process, im just trying to break the "i heard 1 so i heard them all" mind frame, and get you all to take each artist individually and judge if you understand them, or like them on there own music and not some other guy you didnt understand.

also, saying "i didnt understand that artist from that country so i wont understand ANY artist from that country, so why should i listen" is judging the artists you havent heard before you hear them. so to quote you saying "i'm not judging it," you are judging the person on pre-though opinions you made on other artists you didnt understand..

you said yourself you dont understand southern rappers, would you advise someone not to listen to eminem, nas, jay-z ect. because they say "i listened to t.i couldnt understand a word coz the accent" then just keep saying "i DONT understand the accent, so how can i be expected to like it ?" when you know aswell as i do, eminem, nas and Jay-z sound nothing like t.i and there accents are nothing like t.i's ....if you wanne stop the close minded alligations, what would your reaction be to someone in the situation i just made up ? you know aswell as i do youd be doin exactly what im doin and trying to get them to open there eye's and see that even people from the same country dont all sound alike.


now read my whole post over, twice, before you reply, coz i really dont see the foundation of your point, when if the roles were reversed you would be doin the same thing, only difference is, Uk and/or Europe hip hop listeners in a whole are alot more open minded and would never judge as quickly as you do, the evidence in a small puportion is the fact that this UK hip hop section is kept active only by, UK people, A Polish girl, A Guy From Holland, And A Guy From Germany....they dont like all the music, but they listen and comment on it, they also listen and comment on the american music, but do you see the american people commenting on the uk music ? answer for the majority is NO. point proven ?

[Hadez]

also, saying "i didnt understand that artist from that country so i wont understand ANY artist from that country, so why should i listen" is judging the artists you havent heard before you hear them. so to quote you saying "i'm not judging it," you are judging the person on pre-though opinions you made on other artists you didnt understand..

fuckin i have told you several times now that i am not judging the entire country off of one guy. i have stressed that alot in my posts. i just strictly said the reason i don't like the particular artists that i HAVE heard. i can't listen to everybody. and when i get around to it i will listen to people i haven't heard. but seeing as it's new music, i can't listen to it if i just play it in the background. that's defeating the purpose.

when if the roles were reversed you would be doin the same thing

i would have to agree, if you were from the US you wouldn't give a shit about the UK. you're only making an issue out of this because your feelings are hurt cuz many Americans don't like UK's music and you are the UK. then get pissed off cuz "hey i like your American music so why can't you like my UK music?" that's like being mad cuz somebody doesn't like you. who cares? somebody else DOES like you. leave the ones that don't alone and only bother with the ones that do.