Scientology

[Shady's_Back]

What a load of wank lol

[Emadyville]

this is all obviously true

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

its all very creative and if you ahve ever played the game "mass effect" it sounds a shit load like that so i dunno when this theory was created but if it was recently ill bet its a bunch of computer nerds who got hooked on the game.


but i laugh upon no theory because when there is no answer and no proof or strands of evidence, anything is possible, i still beileive that with all the science in the world one day it could go heads up and our explinations are all completely wrong, becuase for us to give the answer to our question is ilogical, we will decide the answer is what we want it to be we may go by "the laws of science" or the "laws of physcis" to prove we arent just inventing our own answers but who discovered/worded and made these laws oficial ? mankind, my point is you cant answer your own question when there is no answer.

is this theory the correct answer ? no one knows.

i will say that although it sounds extremely weird, you shouldnt laugh at it coz if your telling me we are the only life in space your the one that should be laughed at.


also lets say we did discover another planet or better yet, they discovered us and most likely there would be a war, we would probably be defeated coz if they found us there more advance so they win, but if there advance then there civilized and that means when we surrender (witch we would do) we would be taken prisoner, we would probly be slaves for them but we would still breed and after many years we would be set free the same way that happened on earth, and go down the line a couple of thousand years and we are living side by side and the fact we were slaves is in the distant past and the only people that care is nas (joke here dont start goin nuts i know more people care in real life). would this theory be so far fatched if all that happened millions of years ago ? the brainwashing bit is a bit too weird but hey germany had hitler why couldnt a galatic...parliment basically have there own hitler, and instead of concentration camps he has concentration planets ?


the shits weird i dont back it up, i just dislike people thinking this shit is "un-realistic" when we decide what is realistic..so what is truly realistic ?

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

this shit is un realistic lol

But I belive this alot fucking less then other true religions

I mean, fuck this one was made by a science fiction writer

how is it un-realistic, when everything in it can be compared to factul events that happened in your parent and grandparents life span ?

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

this shit is un realistic lol

But I belive this alot fucking less then other true religions

I mean, fuck this one was made by a science fiction writer

how is it un-realistic, when everything in it can be compared to factul events that happened in your parent and grandparents life span ?

I was agree with you man, that any is possible.

But I'll never believe this shit.

yeh i dont beileive it at all, its just possible but so is any theory but atleast this one goes along with progression of science, goverment and life. instead of a "god who creates stuff by sneezing"

[yoshi]

it's creative, that's no doubt. but since scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices initially created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard - it's a load of bullshit. i'm agnostic, but i'm a tolerant person in general and i'm not trying to diss people who got beliefs, because i actually respect them for their strong faith. but scientology IS in fact a bullshit, since it was created by a s-f author, so the phrase explains everything itself. it's fiction.

now we could get into a long discussion about religions, beliefs and shit, but calling 'scientology' a religion is an offence for everyone who believe in something - i mean as a god or whatever or for anyone who is actually familiar with the process of logical thinking . it's just bunch of Americans [well sorry, but scientology seems to have American origin, so yes, it's mostly about Americans] who are too stupid to see that it is a total bunch of shit in fact, or got no shit to do, like Tom Cruise. sorry if i offended anyone from USA, but that's how it seems from my European point of view.

the shits weird i dont back it up, i just dislike people thinking this shit is "un-realistic" when we decide what is realistic..so what is truly realistic ?

see Bar, that's the point. just don't get me wrong this time, i'm not dissing you i'm just trying to explain my point of view.

we could ask this question in every discussion and end it with the same question at the same time. we could argue about good music, and then ask what is the definition of 'good' or argue about which beer is better, Miller or Heineken and then finish the argument with "it's a matter of taste'. but we got something like "convention" which basically is "A practice or procedure widely observed in a group, especially to facilitate social interaction; a custom" or "General agreement on or acceptance of certain practices or attitudes"
following this definition - scientology is a rather new "trend" [sorry, i'm not calling it religion -.-], and we've got christianity, buddhism or islam since centuries. added to the definition it gives you an answer, so no need to explain it.

who decides if it's realistic? majority. majority decides in 99% of cases, even if it's wrong. in Middle Ages, majority used to decided that some women were witches. it was not true, but still, hundreds of women got burnt on piles. Romans used decide that Christians sinned and should've got eaten by lions and die, and Christians did die indeed. it's always majority.

[<Stiiccy>]

very retarded
very very very fucking retarded

[Robbie G]

I agree with Yoshi. If the religion is based around a sc-fi book that some guy wrote it is a joke.

[yoshi]

No offense at all

ahh

well it isn't based on a book. He just started saying this is what happened lol

now that's another thing. i read this book, it was called 'The Wreck Temple' and it was about a guy who created a sect, which was originally a sort of church and then became an actual sect. people who got into it didn't realize it, they put their whole money and wealth in it, did weird stuff and eventually commited a mass suicide in some South American jungle. now that's the stupidity of human race - one guy, a clever one in fact, who knows how to manipulate people, can create something like that, tell bullshit and if he's got this gift of gab.. people will listen to him and, what's even worse, BELIEVE him. and fuck up their whole life. how pathetic is that..

now here comes some s-f writer, says that "some past traumas may have been deliberately inflicted in the form of "implants" used by extraterrestrial dictatorships such as Helatrobus to brainwash and control the population" and BANG! we got bunch of weirdos running around and praising Xenu.. -.-

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

it's creative, that's no doubt. but since scientology is a body of beliefs and related practices initially created by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard - it's a load of bullshit. i'm agnostic, but i'm a tolerant person in general and i'm not trying to diss people who got beliefs, because i actually respect them for their strong faith. but scientology IS in fact a bullshit, since it was created by a s-f author, so the phrase explains everything itself. it's fiction.

now we could get into a long discussion about religions, beliefs and shit, but calling 'scientology' a religion is an offence for everyone who believe in something - i mean as a god or whatever or for anyone who is actually familiar with the process of logical thinking . it's just bunch of Americans [well sorry, but scientology seems to have American origin, so yes, it's mostly about Americans] who are too stupid to see that it is a total bunch of shit in fact, or got no shit to do, like Tom Cruise. sorry if i offended anyone from USA, but that's how it seems from my European point of view.

the shits weird i dont back it up, i just dislike people thinking this shit is "un-realistic" when we decide what is realistic..so what is truly realistic ?

see Bar, that's the point. just don't get me wrong this time, i'm not dissing you i'm just trying to explain my point of view.

we could ask this question in every discussion and end it with the same question at the same time. we could argue about good music, and then ask what is the definition of 'good' or argue about which beer is better, Miller or Heineken and then finish the argument with "it's a matter of taste'. but we got something like "convention" which basically is "A practice or procedure widely observed in a group, especially to facilitate social interaction; a custom" or "General agreement on or acceptance of certain practices or attitudes"
following this definition - scientology is a rather new "trend" [sorry, i'm not calling it religion -.-], and we've got christianity, buddhism or islam since centuries. added to the definition it gives you an answer, so no need to explain it.

who decides if it's realistic? majority. majority decides in 99% of cases, even if it's wrong. in Middle Ages, majority used to decided that some women were witches. it was not true, but still, hundreds of women got burnt on piles. Romans used decide that Christians sinned and should've got eaten by lions and die, and Christians did die indeed. it's always majority.

i dont take it as a diss i dont beileive this theory and i dont support it or anything, i just see the point of view and can see why this is apealing.

on the point of being realistic, your completely right about majority and everything like you said with the witches it wasnt true but loads of women died. (wanne get into the da vinci code ? the witch hunts were people looking for lesus's child mwahaha joke i dont wanne get into that lmao)

but yeh people laughing in the face of theorys is the only thing i was tryna get at when even if its percieved as un-realistic now it doesnt mean it always will be.


i mean the guy who first discoevered germs was classed as a nut job and locked up right ? its was seen as un-realistic science fitcion bullshit and BAM we get hit by the plaugue.

i dont wanne get into it too much but in my opinion/theory whatever you wanne call it, shit like this getting laughed at and being seen as completely un-realistic will get blew out the water one day when we get invaded by aliens or we make a discover that uncovers a harddrive thats 40000 years old or some shit and proves there was a whole other advance life before us.

[yoshi]

i dont take it as a diss i dont beileive this theory and i dont support it or anything, i just see the point of view and can see why this is apealing.

rofl i just didn't want the Alphabetical Slaughter discussion to come back

on the point of being realistic, your completely right about majority and everything like you said with the witches it wasnt true but loads of women died. (wanne get into the da vinci code ? the witch hunts were people looking for lesus's child mwahaha joke i dont wanne get into that lmao)

actually The Da Vinci Code made me think about what is true about Christianity and what's not.. i mean, it's a totally different discussion, but it's mad interesting for me. i'm not religious, but from a scienitfic and social point of view.. for 30-something years Jesus lived on Earth and Bible says nothing about his youth. like there's a blank spot between him being a child and then being a grown man, so the question is what the fuck was he doing then?.. and so on. i'm not saying it's truth, but The Da Vinci code brought up some interesting points, i guess i'll read the book again and maybe set up some discussion then, cause i forgot load of stuff.

but yeh people laughing in the face of theorys is the only thing i was tryna get at when even if its percieved as un-realistic now it doesnt mean it always will be.


i mean the guy who first discoevered germs was classed as a nut job and locked up right ? its was seen as un-realistic science fitcion bullshit and BAM we get hit by the plaugue.

well, that just proves the point that majority decides. back in the XVIth century, Kopernik published his book which basically said that Sun is the center of the Universe, which was relatively new theory [it'd been already discovered by ancient Greeks, but Middle Ages kinda buried it up lol], but still, the book got restricted and was put on the index of prohibited books [dunno how you call it in English, it was that list of books which were prohibited by the Church]. so yeah.. shit was 100% true, but the Church didn't like it, and since it had control over almost everything..

i dont wanne get into it too much but in my opinion/theory whatever you wanne call it, shit like this getting laughed at and being seen as completely un-realistic will get blew out the water one day when we get invaded by aliens or we make a discover that uncovers a harddrive thats 40000 years old or some shit and proves there was a whole other advance life before us.

that's the matter of.. dunno, maybe time. we already know there's no other civilization in our Solar System, but we have no idea what's in other galaxies. i mean, we can suppose, but no one can actually prove it. at least not yet.

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

actually The Da Vinci Code made me think about what is true about Christianity and what's not.. i mean, it's a totally different discussion, but it's mad interesting for me. i'm not religious, but from a scienitfic and social point of view.. for 30-something years Jesus lived on Earth and Bible says nothing about his youth. like there's a blank spot between him being a child and then being a grown man, so the question is what the fuck was he doing then?.. and so on. i'm not saying it's truth, but The Da Vinci code brought up some interesting points, i guess i'll read the book again and maybe set up some discussion then, cause i forgot load of stuff.

yeh same, i have watched the film and read a good bit of articles and one documentary but i havent read the book yet, just not got round to it, and like you it intrests me alot even though im not religous, alot of it i feel if the right answer just religous people dont want to beileive it, jesus not being a god but being an amazing man with good ideas, the religous reason bhhind the bible and jesus has so many holes i dont think id beileive it if he came down and slapped me in the face. also for some reason no matter the era i just cant see a man dying a virgin, ok it may happen every now and again but i just dont beileive it, its a weak reason for the whole "bloodline" but its as simple as i dont beileive, it anyone who has died a virgin is either disabled, died young, or lied and atually fucked a hooker once but didnt want there mum to find out.

well, that just proves the point that majority decides. back in the XVIth century, Kopernik published his book which basically said that Sun is the center of the Universe, which was relatively new theory [it'd been already discovered by ancient Greeks, but Middle Ages kinda buried it up lol], but still, the book got restricted and was put on the index of prohibited books [dunno how you call it in English, it was that list of books which were prohibited by the Church]. so yeah.. shit was 100% true, but the Church didn't like it, and since it had control over almost everything..

yeh wasnt knocking the point by the way, was just showing how horribly wrong it can be lol

and thats fucked up, its shows though that all through-out history every truly meaningful discover has been rejected at first, and the person who makes the discover is suauly classed as crazy or dillusional.

that's the matter of.. dunno, maybe time. we already know there's no other civilization in our Solar System, but we have no idea what's in other galaxies. i mean, we can suppose, but no one can actually prove it. at least not yet.

yup, thats exactly the reason why i keep my ind open to weird and wacky theorys ill never imbrace them to the point imma be in one of them cults and shit, ill just never knock there beileifs unless ofcourse people are getting hurt by them then i think its selfish or if there trying to force beileifs on other people then i think its wrong and forcing a theory just proves its not a theory and more of a mindframe you want to controll everyone else with.

[Emadyville]

Everyone made good points and I agree with one thing, that religion is always and will always be questioned, no matter what you believe in, and no religion has proof, making it hard to agree.

[Arabian Shady]

To call Scientology a religion is at the moment baseless. Religion just dont suddenly come up , they need to have a back ground, something that can help prove the existence of such a religion, take for example my religion-Islam, we have vast amounts of historical data, scriptures, items of historical value, accounts by ppl to prove the existence of my religion. same goes for christianity, etc..
My point is that they dont have anything factual,something authentic enought to prove that theese thestons or wateva were actually beamed back into space.
there was another point about majority deciding to fate of religion, i have to agree wid yosh, with such rich FOLLWERS of a culty like this its not hard to imagine that ppl can be paid to vote/agree in favour of scientology.
wat lies out in there universe is still a mystery, maybe after a couple decades we will be advaned enough to investigate further.

[Kez]

Religion < Anything
$cientology < Religion