Who Has The Most Complex Lyricism In Rap?

[Angevilish]

I don't truly give this much thinking, It instantly hits me with one single name, Rakim...And before you assume I'm a Stan, dick rider or whatever, let me say this clear, Rakim is not even in my Top 5 fave rappers...I'm just speaking with reason in here.
I might think of Big L, as a possible strong contender however. In many songs by Big L, he doubtlessly have proven himself to be capable of competing with Rakim.
honorable mentions:Royce da 5'9, Eminem (95-2002 era), Masta Ace, Mos Def, Lupe, Papoose, Nas, & few others I might have forgotten!

any thoughts on this? share your opinions, 7 don't care about what I, or anyone else think, I wouldn't care if you claim that 50 has complex shit! it would make you sound like an extraordinary moron, and a complete ignorant when it comes to lyricism, but I wouldn't care... lol

[Robbie G]

Don't worry, you won't be called a groupie or stan. That's only if you named Eminem.

What you said sounded pretty good Rakim, Big L can't really think of anymore right now.

[Angevilish]

thanx for sharing your thoughts...

[yoshi]

Talib Kweli
MF Doom

check out their collab - "Old School"
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=zNK7WO7_lDA



ohh.. and Guru!

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

only taking into account pure complexity and lyracism ?


Nas for concepts

rakim for metaphors (who is god ? = metaphor orgasim)




honerable mentions, eminem on rhymes, Big l on the punches and wordplay, big pun or sheer amount of rhyme.


all round guys who take the throne for overall complex shit, lupe fiasco, talib, mf doom

[Angevilish]

^kinda perfect list...However Big L had also impressive rhyme schemes & insane multies in fast flow patterns. & Rakim's main point of strength, is multies, taking in consideration the fact that he was the first rapper to use multi-syllabic rhyming technique.

[yoshi]

i'm ashamed to admit i've never listened to Big L -__-'
and since you guys say he's good.. can someone hit me up with some youtube links to check out?

[Angevilish]

Put It On (his most successful commercially)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBrzEVJwYFg

Ebonics (one of his best)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9VjmK7_b9Q

98 Freestyle (the greatest freestyle of all times, though many argue that it wasn't real (written & not really freestyled), but still it was fuckin' phenomenal)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToTRFS-6eUs

btw, sadly he died at a very young age (22, or 23 I'm not sure), & many rap fans and rappers stated that Big L would have reached some honorable status if he had the time. Eminem himself mentioned this too.
Big L released two albums only, The Lifestyles of The Poor and The Dangerous, & The Big Picture.

[yoshi]

thank u, mr


back to the topic.. i'd say guys from Jurassic 5:

melancholy mundane so I tame the hot flame
big rings, fat chains, and y'all quest for the same
no name, use fame, strictly new to the thang
we stay true to the game and never bring it to shame
we tight like dreadlocks or red fox and ripple
we pass participles, and smash the artist in you
the saga continues, this I won't get into
'cause there ain't enough bars to hold the drama that we been through

from the top of my head, but still.. Jurassic is the shit.

[Sleepy]

i'm ashamed to admit i've never listened to Big L -__-'
and since you guys say he's good.. can someone hit me up with some youtube links to check out?

Big L and Jay-z


http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=oUiv617LUAo

my favourite freestyle of all time

lol at this guys comment

What gamb1t doesn't recognize is that arguing on the internet is like the special olympics. Even if you win, your still retarded

[°[~CHR!$~]°]

neva could get into notorious B.I.G's style of rapping but he's lyrics were holy dope
AND....immortel technique...

i know too much the goverment tryna murder me

this guy is straight up sick...lyriclly a beast...
mentionable: Eminem,Royce,Obie,Vinnie Paz,King Size,Doap Nixon....cant think of more ryt now
Respek BA is a scottisch guy and lyriclly top yeah thatz it for now

*agree on Big L*

[,-,'-{Bar}-',-,]

^kinda perfect list...However Big L had also impressive rhyme schemes & insane multies in fast flow patterns. & Rakim's main point of strength, is multies, taking in consideration the fact that he was the first rapper to use multi-syllabic rhyming technique.

well all the people i posted have impressive flows, multis ect. i was just naming what i thought they were the best at

[mcZu]

I would say:
Rakim, Nas, Lupe Fiasco, Eminem, Talib Kweli, Moss Deff, Common, Big L, Biggie, Jedi Mind Tricks, Aesop Rock, Immortal Technique, Mf Doom, A Tribe Called Quest, Royce Da 5'9", Ghostface, Krs one, Wu tang clan, Tupac ( some songs ) and some I'm forgetting now...

[M-Pyre]

tonedeff kills all! lyrically

[Angevilish]

I wonder why people suggested Immortal Technique as a lyrical beast, or lyrically dope
His lyrics are quite simple actually, he rarely uses multies, or internal rhymes, or any complex flow patterns at all..He's got some dope metaphors, punches (& punches are usually included in freestyle/battling rap more than it's included in lyricism) & some occasional wordplaying. Don't get me wrong, Immortal technique is on my top 5 rappers. But I think that its his content & his delivery are what made him supreme, sort of like Tupac (Tupac's lyricism was way far from impressive, actually it was kinda weak).