Pro-minority = Anti-majority... why?

[James R.]

Not sure if this goes here, but it seemed like a good place for it.

This is inspired by all the bitching black people and ignorant feminazis out there. Why is it that minorities can't fight for rights without becoming anti majority? Black people went from pro black to anti white (Malcolm X is the prime example of that white devil ish). Feminists went from equal rights for all genders to man hating. And because of that minorities can now be complete and total hypocrites because they were wronged first.

Black people can be (and sometimes are) racist as fuck and no one says anything because of slavery and oppression. Yeah, slavery sucked monkey balls, but we really need to move on. I was never a slave. I don't know anyone who was a slave. If there's an ex-american-slave out there somewhere then (s)he's most definitely a zombie. Yet black people still use that as a crutch to hate. Racism is irrelevant when black people say ANYTHING. Diss white people, they oppressed us and life is so easy for them! Diss illegal immigrants because they don't matter anyways! Diss America because if it wasn't for white people raping the world we wouldn't be here anyways! How does a group of people go from fighting racism to practicing it? The better question is WHY? Black people can't bitch anymore about anything anymore. There are far too many examples of how black people CAN achieve to focus on how some can't.

And then there are the god damn feminazis who honestly make me sick. Feminism in America was a great thing. Women wanted to be equal. Cool. They thought it was wrong for a man to have to support himself, his wife, and his children with no help and no choice. Awesome, me too. And then it turned down this crazy "fuck men" road to hell, and I really don't understand it. Feminists can say w/e they want about men and people laugh because men are the majority, they already have everything, it's easy for us, we can't bitch. Why take a concept like feminism (which was really humanism) which was fighting for equal rights of all genders, and skew it to be "go women, fuck men!" Why is feminism all about showing that you're as strong as a man? What's wrong with being feminine? Why can't women be women and be strong? Why does it have to be a competition?

Is it hard for black people? Some of them, sure. Is it hard for women? Some of them, sure. Is it easy for white men just because they're white men? Not really. You're not born privileged just because you're white. Do you have a ton of advantages? Yeah sometimes, sure. But now if you're not black or a woman you can barely get a scholarship to go to school because you're white. You should already have money. I'm a black guy and I've been discriminated against by White dudes, Black guys, Asian people, Hispanic vatos, and women alike, but that doesn't mean I deserve anything more than them. It just means I'm not an ignorant piece of shit so I'll go farther by default.

So yeah. More of a rant than a debate topic, but like I said, I didn't really know where to put this. Share your thoughts about pro becoming anti and the crutch of "struggling" that people use as an excuse to be douche bags.

I just don't understand. Help me out.

[joelle]

Men aren't the majority, silly. Women are.
But in positions of power, sure, and I know that's what you meant.

And honestly, things go from "pro-this" to "anti-that" because it's easy. It's one thing to say "Look at us, we are women/black/etc, we deserve rights"...but it's easier to say "Look at how much our oppressors suck!" IMO, it takes away from the whole point of the struggle, or whatever you want to call it. It focuses on the negative. It takes away from what you're fighting for. But it's easy, and so people do it.

When feminism started, it was a great thing. Read any of the books by the originals, Betty Friedman, for example. It's all about equality, but that quickly changed. Find a feminist today who doesn't hate men...I'd be surprised if you could. There were even some feminists, years ago, who were SO anti-man that they looked down on women raising sons. That's ridiculous. And today, most elementary schools are taught by women, who impose (whether on purpose or not) modern feminist ideals onto young boys, who are bound to be effected by that. Women are teaching our boys that men are pigs, men are selfish, men are rude and only care about sex...so what does that make women? And what is going to happen to these boys when they become men?

And the whole black/white thing...I mean, other races can say a whole slew of things white people can't, or feel they can't. At work the other day, a girl I work with (who's half Puerto Rican, half black) asked another employee (who's half black), "What race are you?" If I'd asked that, I would have looked like an oppressive asshole, but for her, it was just curiosity. Things like that. I'm cool with that, I mean, it's just the way things are. If I have to bite my tongue to avoid looking like a dick, I'll do that. But the examples of blatant racism from other races is what really gets me. And the blatant sexism from most feminists.

One gender is not better than another. And one race isn't better than another. It's just easier to put the other guy down than to bring yourself up.

[Robbie G]

I completely agree 100%.

[James R.]

Thank you Joelle and Shady Babie

[mcZu]

I fully agree with both of you..
These days it's easier to paint the others negative.....
'Cause if the others are bad, your good....

We live in a fucked up world these days....

[DelinQuent]

i can understand bitching about slavery.

the white man had a 100 or more year head start on education and business entrepreneurship. only in the 60's did blacks finally receive fair treatment.

by the way, dont generalize. youre preaching about not being racist but then you're saying "black people can (and sometimes are) racist as fuck"... so EVERY black person can be or is racist as fuck?

[James R.]

i can understand bitching about slavery.

I could understand it if any of us were slaves. Black people are entitled to the same education as white people. I got scholarships just for being black and going to a school that was majority white because they had to meet diversity quotas and whatnot.

the white man had a 100 or more year head start on education and business entrepreneurship. only in the 60's did blacks finally receive fair treatment.

Very true, but now that we're being treated much much MUCH more fairly I think it's time we give the tired ass arguments a rest.

by the way, dont generalize. youre preaching about not being racist but then you're saying "black people can (and sometimes are) racist as fuck"... so EVERY black person can be or is racist as fuck?

Anyone and everyone CAN be racist, and I'm sure if you spend enough time around enough black people you'll see the racism. Sometimes, maybe even a lot of times, it might not even be intentional, but the fact remains. Something that a lot of people don't catch is when people claim that other people are racist with no actual reason. I couldn't even tell you how many white people I know have been accused of being racist just because they stated their opinion. If someone can't say how they feel about a topic without being accused of bigotry that's discrimination. If a white person brings up slavery being played it's racism, but if I do it then it's not. It's cool for black people to rap, but unless you're eminem or the beastie boys you're a poser if you're a white rapper. I can talk about how much I don't like welfare, but a white person is a tyrant if they do the same. Common ass shit like that happens all the time. Tell me how that's not racism,

[DelinQuent]

i do agree that these arguments need to be put to rest, with a black president it proves that blacks can do anything white can.

im white by the way lol.

i agree with most of what you say, i just didnt like how to generalized.

[James R.]

Between Oprah and Barack black people can't say shit.

And I didn't mean to generalize, it's just hard not to when you're speaking on so many specific people and incidents lol

[yoshi]

Not sure if this goes here, but it seemed like a good place for it.

This is inspired by all the bitching black people and ignorant feminazis out there. Why is it that minorities can't fight for rights without becoming anti majority? Black people went from pro black to anti white (Malcolm X is the prime example of that white devil ish). Feminists went from equal rights for all genders to man hating. And because of that minorities can now be complete and total hypocrites because they were wronged first.

Not necessarily. I've read both Malcolm X's and Martin Luther King, Jr's biographies. King wasn't anti-white, so wasn't Malcolm in the end. I think that King's philosophy shows that even if you're in the minority, you still can fight for your rights without turning to anti-majority. I think it all depends on the way you do it. If you want to fight with them by whatever means necessary, it will end up in being totally anti-majority. Malcolm used to play the hate up by telling how evil white people are, how we used to treat black people in the slavery years. I think he had every right to say so, considering the fact how harsh his childhood was - the KKK experience, his father's death, his house burnt down. But the point is that there are always two sides - whites hating on black people and whites who actually tried to make it work between both races.

Black people can be (and sometimes are) racist as fuck and no one says anything because of slavery and oppression. Yeah, slavery sucked monkey balls, but we really need to move on. I was never a slave. I don't know anyone who was a slave. If there's an ex-american-slave out there somewhere then (s)he's most definitely a zombie. Yet black people still use that as a crutch to hate. Racism is irrelevant when black people say ANYTHING. Diss white people, they oppressed us and life is so easy for them! Diss illegal immigrants because they don't matter anyways! Diss America because if it wasn't for white people raping the world we wouldn't be here anyways! How does a group of people go from fighting racism to practicing it? The better question is WHY? Black people can't bitch anymore about anything anymore. There are far too many examples of how black people CAN achieve to focus on how some can't.

I know we need to move on. It's been ages since slavery finished and even though there are still racial issues, we should try to make it work. It's like here in Europe between Jews, Poles and Germans. Some people here in Poland still tend to call them Nazis, even though it's been like more than 50 years. Some try to make it work and move on, and I'm all for it. I know we cannot change the past and the fact that Auschwitz is still there where it used to be, because it's a part of the history, but for heaven's sake, WWII finished YEARS ago, so fuck all this bitching.

I don't know how it looks in the USA now, never been there, but I think that some people like to use this slavery/racism thing as an excuse, because they're actually too lazy to do something with their life. I mean, you can go to school and finish, like that guy Nate McCall. I read this book 'Makes Me Wanna Holler', he went from jail to working for The Washington Post. So yeah, if you really want something, you can achieve it, no matter what your skin color is.

I guess there's a thin line between fighting for your rights and fighting against other people. The point is to know where it is and try not to cross it. Like, you can demonstrate pro-heterosexualism and promote it, but demonstrating against gays means crossing the line.

And then there are the god damn feminazis who honestly make me sick. Feminism in America was a great thing. Women wanted to be equal. Cool. They thought it was wrong for a man to have to support himself, his wife, and his children with no help and no choice. Awesome, me too. And then it turned down this crazy "fuck men" road to hell, and I really don't understand it. Feminists can say w/e they want about men and people laugh because men are the majority, they already have everything, it's easy for us, we can't bitch. Why take a concept like feminism (which was really humanism) which was fighting for equal rights of all genders, and skew it to be "go women, fuck men!" Why is feminism all about showing that you're as strong as a man? What's wrong with being feminine? Why can't women be women and be strong? Why does it have to be a competition?

Whenever I hear about feminists, I am ashamed to be a woman. Back in the days, when they used to fight for the rights to vote, to work, to go to schools it was great. Because why wouldn't they? We're all humans, right? Now it's just sick, this whole 'fuck men' attitude. Of course, I also bitch sometimes, because some guys actually act like fuckin pigs. But, at the same time, I know lots of girls who actually do the same thing, so it's not like we're without fault here. Actually we're both to blame, because we keep on fucking it up for each other. There's nothing wrong with being feminine, I actually really like it when my mates open the doors for me or dunno, help me to carry bags when we go on a trip. I think it's really cool and whenever a guy does it for me, I am really impressed.

Is it hard for black people? Some of them, sure. Is it hard for women? Some of them, sure. Is it easy for white men just because they're white men? Not really. You're not born privileged just because you're white. Do you have a ton of advantages? Yeah sometimes, sure. But now if you're not black or a woman you can barely get a scholarship to go to school because you're white. You should already have money. I'm a black guy and I've been discriminated against by White dudes, Black guys, Asian people, Hispanic vatos, and women alike, but that doesn't mean I deserve anything more than them. It just means I'm not an ignorant piece of shit so I'll go farther by default.

I don't think it's about the skin color now, it's about your bank account and whether your dad can pay for your private school. My mate's dad is a lawyer, so he's practically settled for life now. You're born privileged because of your social status, not your race. But the truth is that if you really want something, you don't need a social status. You just need to get your shit together instead of bitching how hard your life is.

[Tornado]

The truth is that if you really want something, you don't need a social status. You just need to get your shit together instead of bitching how hard your life is.

The Truth Is Here

[DrRapid]

Nice one there Yoshi.

As it was being said that slavery was a long time ago so forget about it. Black people were enslaved by white people. Well if we go back 2000 years ago, white people from different parts of Europe and North Africa were enslaved by the Romans. Lots of them suffered terribly just like being forced to fight and kill as a gladiator. The thing is that was so long ago that people forget about this but it still happened. So whites have been slaves too just like blacks.

[James R.]

I think that some people like to use this slavery/racism thing as an excuse, because they're actually too lazy to do something with their life.

Some of the realest shit I've ever read.

I completely agree with you yoshi. And you're right, it is about social status, but for some reason people make it about race because it's the easy excuse. It's the universal cop out for minorities, so it's NEVER their fault. It's horse shit.

[<Stiiccy>]

I don't give a fuck what race you are...everone to me is just human piece's of scum who are stealing my oxygen...i dont fuck if your blue get in my way i will kill you...

[theJFKshow]

agreed.