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Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

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Re: Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

Postby theJFKshow » Nov 21st, '08, 18:37

Slimm wrote:Jay-z is underrated.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_5BR4YXj_o

And all you other cats throwin shots at Jigga
You only get half a bar - fuck y'all w iggaz

Except Jay-Z's lyrics are fucking trash. He raps about the same shit every song.
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Re: Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

Postby Tornado » Nov 21st, '08, 22:26

ain't this 04 shit? either way, i still don't think Jay is that good
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Re: Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

Postby Evanz19 » Nov 21st, '08, 23:20

,-,'-{Bar}-',-, wrote:
Killa wrote:
Slimm wrote:Jay-z is underrated.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_5BR4YXj_o

And all you other cats throwin shots at Jigga
You only get half a bar - fuck y'all w iggaz



word. Theres a huge diffrence between bitin and paying homage. If jigga bit lines he would do it from underground artists cos whos gunna know? To say you honestly belive he bit lines from Eminem etc is fucking stupid because it sticks out like a sore thumb when you hear it. Its just paying homage. Em does it,Nas does it,Everyone does it. and all this is comming from a not so big Jay fan.



yeh, say a year ago id be in sajjads corner but i know more now and its homage.

biting is doin it were you dont want anyone to know and want them to think you wrote it. jay doesnt do that at all he says in a track on the black album "and if i bite a biggie line im just biggin up my brother" he clearly states he is biting a biggie line to pay homage to his freind.


But he took lines from Nas and Pac, i can undrstand L and Big, but Nas and Pac didn't like him. Why pay homage to people that diss you?
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Re: Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

Postby James R. » Nov 22nd, '08, 00:13

Killa wrote:word. Theres a huge diffrence between bitin and paying homage. If jigga bit lines he would do it from underground artists cos whos gunna know? To say you honestly belive he bit lines from Eminem etc is fucking stupid because it sticks out like a sore thumb when you hear it. Its just paying homage. Em does it,Nas does it,Everyone does it. and all this is comming from a not so big Jay fan.

He can pay homage all he wants, but why is he paying homage in 95% of his tracks? Maybe he's not a biter, but he shouldn't have multiple homage paying lines in most of his songs. That is stupid.
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Re: Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

Postby James R. » Nov 22nd, '08, 00:36

It's cool to mention a dope song, or refer to one, or quote a sick line, but he just does it too often, and it's far too often quoting rather than mentioning.
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Re: Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

Postby Slimm » Nov 22nd, '08, 15:14

But he took lines from Nas and Pac, i can undrstand L and Big, but Nas and Pac didn't like him. Why pay homage to people that diss you?


He and nas doesnt always had beef, when he did maybe he was mocking, and if u mean dead presidents : 'U made it a hot line, i made it a hot song'.
Like killa said, its paying hommage, when u see him biting lines from underground rappers know one knows, let me now.
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Re: Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

Postby Evanz19 » Nov 23rd, '08, 22:20

^^^^

Okay, but like James R said, paying homage or not, he does it a bit too much.
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Re: Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

Postby killmaster56 » Nov 23rd, '08, 23:05

Jay isnt even as bad as Lil wayne at swagger jacking. Wayne bit whole verses.
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Re: Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

Postby Solace » Nov 23rd, '08, 23:27

killmaster56 wrote:Jay isnt even as bad as Lil wayne at swagger jacking. Wayne bit whole verses.

Seriously? Which songs does he bite a whole verse.
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Re: Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

Postby James R. » Nov 24th, '08, 01:22

Wayne is a swagger jacker because either now or before he didn't write his own shit. I'm not sure which. I'm going to assume that now he's writing for himself because he went from good to completely asshole fuck shit, but yeah. He had entire sogns ghost-written for him.
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Re: Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

Postby Slimm » Nov 24th, '08, 20:27

James R. wrote:Wayne is a swagger jacker because either now or before he didn't write his own shit. I'm not sure which. I'm going to assume that now he's writing for himself because he went from good to completely asshole fuck shit, but yeah. He had entire sogns ghost-written for him.


Nah i dont think someone ghostwritten for him.. He just ran out of shit to talk about, his style didnt really change (Altho c2 >> all his stuff, he prolly was at his peak).
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Re: Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

Postby James R. » Nov 25th, '08, 00:59

Gillie tha Kid was writing with/for him from Tha Carter-Tha Carter II. That's why his style has changed so drastically from before, during, and after that time period. Running out of shit to talk about and drugs/alcohol doesn't make your entire change, it just means your content doesn't.
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Re: Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

Postby Nick419 » Nov 25th, '08, 01:13

this made me remember that thread about how jay used a eminem line supposedly : http://www.forum.trshady.com/viewtopic. ... em#p554687
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Re: Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

Postby Slimm » Nov 27th, '08, 20:39

James R. wrote:Gillie tha Kid was writing with/for him from Tha Carter-Tha Carter II. That's why his style has changed so drastically from before, during, and after that time period. Running out of shit to talk about and drugs/alcohol doesn't make your entire change, it just means your content doesn't.


Googled it, he only claimed he wrote c1.

Gillie Da Kid has called out Lil' Wayne claiming that he wrote many of Lil' Wayne's songs in the album "Tha Carter". Lil' Wayne has responded loud clear "Nigga where's ya money if ya wrote my shit. I make bout' 30 Grand a song and how come yo ass is broke and don't got shit? You really think you been writing my shit? Hell naw nigga." Gillie has attempted to reach out to Lil' Wayne and attempted to apologize but Lil' Wayne has continued to diss Gillie and Gillie has his thrown back his share of insults (see vidoes) where he calls Wayne out and tells the truth behind Cash Money Records. Gillie is also credited with releasing the photo of Lil Wayne and Cash Money CEO Baby kissing.

Lil Wayne can be seen wearing a diamond-studded pendant belonging to Gillie in one of his music videos, although this does not necessarily have any correlation with the ghostwriting issue. Wayne also addresses his situation with Gillie on multiple tracks in Da Drought 3.
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Re: Jay-Z Is A Swagger Jacker

Postby James R. » Nov 28th, '08, 03:47

Yeah you're right. I thought it was Tha Carter II as well. Well then I guess it was just the drugs that finally got to him because after TCII he turned almost immediately to fucking trash.
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