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Pretty Fly for a White Guy

Postby SeoNv » May 10th, '09, 21:18

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In the September 2003 issue of XXL magazine, we asked 25 rap artists to list their top five MCs. Only seven named Eminem. That’s more votes than Cassidy, Sadat X and Smoke from Field Mob got, but fewer than Biggie, Rakim, Tupac, Jay-Z and Nas. The results were something of an upset, considering that, at the time, Eminem was a global pop icon. He was both matinee idol and the original SoundScan Killer. The Slim Shady LP, The Marshall Mathers LP and The Eminem Show had already sold over 21 million albums, and his debut film, the semiautobiographical 8 Mile, had grossed $116 million domestically. The back of his baseball card was flawless.

Not impressed by statistics? He was also at, or at least very near, the top of the game in six stylistic categories: best flow, best wordplay, most controversial, wildest imagination, best storytelling (for “Stan” alone) and funniest album skits. Maybe his interviews could have been hotter. But by just about any conceivable measure, Marshall Mathers III was a legitimate candidate for the title of Best Rapper Alive. MTV2 thought so, ranking him third on their June 2003 22 Greatest MCs program, behind only Biggie and Tupac.
Which brings us back to that seven out of 25. Seven out of 25? Was his nasal voice that annoying? Were his drug references too explicit? His imagery too gory? His insults too childish? Or did it have nothing to do with tone or lyrics? Maybe it was something he had no control over. Like his skin color. And that, for better or worse, put him on a different playing field.

Do you remember the first time you heard Eminem? For me, it was early 1998, freshman year of college. The biggest rap nerd in the dorm had a new mixtape. I want to say it was a DJ A. Vee cassette. Yes, cassette, and Eminem was featured on two songs: Old World Disorder’s “3hree6ix5ive” (which was identified as “the underground shit that you did with Skam” on “Stan”) and Shabaam Sahdeeq’s “5 Star Generals.”
My first impression, however, wasn’t pure. Before Em’s verse came on, my friend revealed the big secret: “He’s White.” In retrospect, I was grading his performance on a curve. Sure, there were some good White rappers around, like El-P of Company Flow or Cage, but they weren’t even sniffing the mainstream. In 1998, rap fans—Black, White, everyone—were skeptical of White rappers. Eminem was no different. “I liked you/Thought you were okay for a White dude,” he’d say himself, of Everlast, on the 2000 diss record “I Remember—Dedication to Whitey Ford.”

For most people, the first time they heard Eminem was the same as the first time they saw Eminem. In early 1999, when the “My Name Is” video debuted on MTV’s Total Request Live, nobody could avoid his whiteness. The clip goofed on the issue, with Eminem playing dress-up as a Leave It to Beaver–like suburban dad, tacky talk-show host, chemistry teacher, Bill Clinton, Marilyn Manson, etc. He was obviously courting the TRL pop mainstream—okay, let’s just say it—White audience from the get-go. Remember, “My Name Is” was even mixed with AC/DC’s 1981 metal classic “Back in Black” and played on rock radio.
The song, video and AC/DC mash-up were greater reflections on White culture than Black culture. But does that mean Black people didn’t eat it up? Of course not. Eminem appealed to everybody. His subject matter was universal: broken home, dead-end jobs, drugs, the claustrophobia of the hood, the struggle with leaving it behind and, of course, baby-mama drama. Hip-hop accepted him. “In my opinion, it is not an issue,” said Jay-Z of Eminem’s whiteness, in the March 2003 issue of XXL. “I mean, he can rhyme. The guy’s got skills.” Nas chimed in with, “The dude lives, breathes, eats and shits hip-hop.”
But could a White guy be considered the best practitioner of an art form created by African-Americans?-Thomas Golianopoulos

Source: http://www.xxlmag.com/
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Re: Pretty Fly for a White Guy

Postby 313 » May 10th, '09, 22:00

Chet Starr wrote:Call me a hip hop fan if you want, but Nas > Eminem

lol


I don't know why but you start to go on my nerve! You hate all eminem singles(relapse) and every fucking day you said that. But know you don't have courage say what you think about Relapse.
"Proof, No matter how much time passes, not a day goes by that I don't think of you. If it weren't for you, I would not be where I am today and we both know it. I tried to write song for you but nothing was good enough, so I'm dedicating them all to you-and you'd be happy to know that I spazzed out on 'em gain!I know you wouldn't have it any other way! Fuck 'em all--let's get 'em!
P.S. I'm sober now, I know you'd be proud. I love you Doody, I'll never forget you. Love, Doody "
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Re: Pretty Fly for a White Guy

Postby ShadyVsEminem » May 10th, '09, 22:19

If Relapse 2 is as good as Relapse and im sure it is he is definitely in the top 1 ever.He already is but that would seal the deal.His range of songs is his biggest strength i mean he can literally do any type of song and make it work.
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Re: Pretty Fly for a White Guy

Postby Irvinga04 » May 10th, '09, 22:21

Eminemnow wrote:If he was black he would be hailed by everyone as the GOAT, no question.

Whether people admit it or not, on a large scale, the race does still matter lol. You can so tell, I've seen some (I won't name) hip-hop artists talk about Em and you can tell they begrudgingly respect him. It's like they can't deny he's good but don't like to give him too much props. Like they're annoyed he's white and good lmao.

Take Nas for example. A lot of people consider him to be the best. Nas is fantastic and he's done some great work.

But lets be honest. He's kept the same monotone flow his entire career.

Em reinvents himself every album. Nearly every fucking song.

Role Model vs Lose Yourself
White America vs The Real Slim Shady
Renegade vs Forgot About Dre

Nobody has all that versatility. He's mastered; Battle rap, acid rap, horrocore rap, emotional, serious, political, powerhouse, spitfire, comedy. He's done it all.

That's just his flows. I mean, if you get into lyricism. Even Nas doesn't come close IMO. Nas puts words together very well but nobody in rap has Em's wit. It's on another level. He's like the Tarantino of rap.

Just like when you watch Pulp Fiction and think "Wow, nobody but Quentin could of done something of this stature and style", that's what I think when listening to Em records.

Call me a Stan all you want but bottom line: Em = GOAT.



Couldn't have put it better :y:
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Re: Pretty Fly for a White Guy

Postby Brandon S » May 11th, '09, 05:04

Nas is more lyrical than em


I think em is more versatile tho
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