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Re: XXL gave a XL for Relapse ! [Image inside]

Postby Wreck » Jul 10th, '09, 12:14

Eminemnow wrote:Worst album yet? You're insane lol.

Where did he come close to the flow or lyricism of "Stay Wide Awake" on any of his previous albums.

He's always been an amazing lyricist but now he's putting schemes together like fucking magic. He's totally on top of his game.

Also, never before has he tried such a range of flows.

I can understand you thinking it's not as good as... MMLP or EmShow but worse than Encore? Pssh, I know it's subjective but come on, that's silly lol.

SSLP is a classic and so is MMLP but like he said himself, on those two albums it was like he was tryna catch up with the beat. Still great flows but nothing compared to now.

On Relapse it's like his voice IS the beat, he just oozes rhythm out of every direction.


Encore is better. Relapse people overrate it because it's his first album in 5 years and they're shitting their pants over new material. Encore had Never Enough, Yellow Brick Road, Like Toy Soldiers, Mosh, Mockingbird, We As Americans, Ricky Ticky Toc & Love You More. Even Puke & Encore/Curtains Down are good songs as well. On Relapse, you have Beautiful, Deja Vu...and what else? I like Bagpipes From Baghdad but it doesn't compare to the good songs from the Encore album. 3 AM, Stay Wide Awake & Must Be The Ganja are also very good songs from the new album. Encore had more serious, songs you could relate to. You can't relate to "My step dad sucked in the bed" or a lot of the other stupid shit that was said on the album. Not to mention his accent. People are going to say, oh the accent, I barely noticed it. It was quite noticeable. Eminem is better when he uses his regular voice. I know he was messing around and trying different flows, but songs like Like Toy Soldiers, Mosh & Mockingbird can't be tarnished with. Amongst all the poppy bullshit on Encore, it still a better album. And he had great flows on previous albums, it's just he improves a little bit each time and gets that much better then everybody else. I'm sorry, I just can't listen to some of the songs on the album too much, especially with the voices he's using. I know Relapse 2 will be 10 times better then Relapse. Relapse was nice, but I prefer Encore, but Relapse 2 could shatter all of that plus more. We'll see.
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Re: XXL gave a XL for Relapse ! [Image inside]

Postby Fa-Q » Jul 10th, '09, 12:26

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Eminemnow wrote:Worst album yet? You're insane lol.

Where did he come close to the flow or lyricism of "Stay Wide Awake" on any of his previous albums.

He's always been an amazing lyricist but now he's putting schemes together like fucking magic. He's totally on top of his game.

Also, never before has he tried such a range of flows.

I can understand you thinking it's not as good as... MMLP or EmShow but worse than Encore? Pssh, I know it's subjective but come on, that's silly lol.

SSLP is a classic and so is MMLP but like he said himself, on those two albums it was like he was tryna catch up with the beat. Still great flows but nothing compared to now.

On Relapse it's like his voice IS the beat, he just oozes rhythm out of every direction.



Encore is better. Relapse people overrate it because it's his first album in 5 years and they're shitting their pants over new material. Encore had Never Enough, Yellow Brick Road, Like Toy Soldiers, Mosh, Mockingbird, We As Americans, Ricky Ticky Toc & Love You More. Even Puke & Encore/Curtains Down are good songs as well. On Relapse, you have Beautiful, Deja Vu...and what else? I like Bagpipes From Baghdad but it doesn't compare to the good songs from the Encore album. 3 AM, Stay Wide Awake & Must Be The Ganja are also very good songs from the new album. Encore had more serious, songs you could relate to. You can't relate to "My step dad sucked in the bed" or a lot of the other stupid shit that was said on the album. Not to mention his accent. People are going to say, oh the accent, I barely noticed it. It was quite noticeable. Eminem is better when he uses his regular voice. I know he was messing around and trying different flows, but songs like Like Toy Soldiers, Mosh & Mockingbird can't be tarnished with. Amongst all the poppy bullshit on Encore, it still a better album. And he had great flows on previous albums, it's just he improves a little bit each time and gets that much better then everybody else. I'm sorry, I just can't listen to some of the songs on the album too much, especially with the voices he's using. I know Relapse 2 will be 10 times better then Relapse. Relapse was nice, but I prefer Encore, but Relapse 2 could shatter all of that plus more. We'll see.


wow...thats your opinion but i cant agree...i cant even listen to the GOOD songs on encore...except the bonus CD. Relapse Im still bumpin...its crazy think about it like this...most everybody can mouth and even cover his first four albums. But relapse its hard because hes so fast and the speed of his flow changed so rapidly and seemlessly. I use to be shallow and say that the voice is annoying but he can do so much more with it.
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Re: XXL gave a XL for Relapse ! [Image inside]

Postby Wreck » Jul 10th, '09, 12:28

eaglesforever1805 wrote:
ShadyBaby8 wrote:
Eminemnow wrote:Worst album yet? You're insane lol.

Where did he come close to the flow or lyricism of "Stay Wide Awake" on any of his previous albums.

He's always been an amazing lyricist but now he's putting schemes together like fucking magic. He's totally on top of his game.

Also, never before has he tried such a range of flows.

I can understand you thinking it's not as good as... MMLP or EmShow but worse than Encore? Pssh, I know it's subjective but come on, that's silly lol.

SSLP is a classic and so is MMLP but like he said himself, on those two albums it was like he was tryna catch up with the beat. Still great flows but nothing compared to now.

On Relapse it's like his voice IS the beat, he just oozes rhythm out of every direction.



Encore is better. Relapse people overrate it because it's his first album in 5 years and they're shitting their pants over new material. Encore had Never Enough, Yellow Brick Road, Like Toy Soldiers, Mosh, Mockingbird, We As Americans, Ricky Ticky Toc & Love You More. Even Puke & Encore/Curtains Down are good songs as well. On Relapse, you have Beautiful, Deja Vu...and what else? I like Bagpipes From Baghdad but it doesn't compare to the good songs from the Encore album. 3 AM, Stay Wide Awake & Must Be The Ganja are also very good songs from the new album. Encore had more serious, songs you could relate to. You can't relate to "My step dad sucked in the bed" or a lot of the other stupid shit that was said on the album. Not to mention his accent. People are going to say, oh the accent, I barely noticed it. It was quite noticeable. Eminem is better when he uses his regular voice. I know he was messing around and trying different flows, but songs like Like Toy Soldiers, Mosh & Mockingbird can't be tarnished with. Amongst all the poppy bullshit on Encore, it still a better album. And he had great flows on previous albums, it's just he improves a little bit each time and gets that much better then everybody else. I'm sorry, I just can't listen to some of the songs on the album too much, especially with the voices he's using. I know Relapse 2 will be 10 times better then Relapse. Relapse was nice, but I prefer Encore, but Relapse 2 could shatter all of that plus more. We'll see.


wow...thats your opinion but i cant agree...i cant even listen to the GOOD songs on encore...except the bonus CD. Relapse Im still bumpin...its crazy think about it like this...most everybody can mouth and even cover his first four albums. But relapse its hard because hes so fast and the speed of his flow changed so rapidly and seemlessly. I use to be shallow and say that the voice is annoying but he can do so much more with it.


that's cool. if you feel the way you do- I respect your opinion on this topic. I like Relapse, but don't love it to a degree like I did the first 3 albums. Encore I love, but not as much as the previous albums, but I like it way more then Relapse. His flow is nice, I just don't like the voices/accent he uses, but that's just me.
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Re: XXL gave a XL for Relapse ! [Image inside]

Postby Shady'baby. » Jul 10th, '09, 15:03

Encore was awesome ffs, his best album after TES, Relapse just misses something, theres nothing that makes me get chills exept beautiful or stay wide awake
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Re: XXL gave a XL for Relapse ! [Image inside]

Postby Wreck » Jul 10th, '09, 17:13

Shady'baby. wrote:Encore was awesome ffs, his best album after TES, Relapse just misses something, theres nothing that makes me get chills exept beautiful or stay wide awake


I totally agree...

relapse is nice, but I can't listen to the album even after getting sick of it. Like you know albums where you love and you keep listening to nonstop and never (can) get sick of it, I get that with TES, MMLP & TSSLP & even Encore...I don't get that with Relapse, at least not yet and maybe I never will...I hope Relapse 2 gives me that affect as a fan and as an avid listener.
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Re: XXL gave a XL for Relapse ! [Image inside]

Postby Fa-Q » Jul 10th, '09, 17:57

Eminemnow wrote:
Encore is better. Relapse people overrate it because it's his first album in 5 years and they're shitting their pants over new material. Encore had Never Enough, Yellow Brick Road, Like Toy Soldiers, Mosh, Mockingbird, We As Americans, Ricky Ticky Toc & Love You More. Even Puke & Encore/Curtains Down are good songs as well. On Relapse, you have Beautiful, Deja Vu...and what else? I like Bagpipes From Baghdad but it doesn't compare to the good songs from the Encore album. 3 AM, Stay Wide Awake & Must Be The Ganja are also very good songs from the new album. Encore had more serious, songs you could relate to. You can't relate to "My step dad sucked in the bed" or a lot of the other stupid shit that was said on the album. Not to mention his accent. People are going to say, oh the accent, I barely noticed it. It was quite noticeable. Eminem is better when he uses his regular voice. I know he was messing around and trying different flows, but songs like Like Toy Soldiers, Mosh & Mockingbird can't be tarnished with. Amongst all the poppy bullshit on Encore, it still a better album. And he had great flows on previous albums, it's just he improves a little bit each time and gets that much better then everybody else. I'm sorry, I just can't listen to some of the songs on the album too much, especially with the voices he's using. I know Relapse 2 will be 10 times better then Relapse. Relapse was nice, but I prefer Encore, but Relapse 2 could shatter all of that plus more. We'll see.


Well obviously it's all subjective but I think you're totally wrong about Encore being better.

I've been listening to Em for a decade and am not overrating Relapse just because it's new. I actually judge Em's stuff a lot harder than others because I expect so much from him.

I was a bit let down by "Chemical Warfare" (the track) for example.

Relapse is awesome though. I'll tell you why I think that, no it's not because it's new and no it's not because I'm a Stan, it's for the following reasons:

Production - The fact that Dre produced all of it bar "Beautiful" gives the whole album a very coherent and solid feeling. Much like The Eminem Show because it was basically all Em that did that.

I prefer Em's production to Dre's, especially on himself but never the less, Dre did his thing and produced a solid batch of beats for Em.

Lyricism - On Encore, Em obviously got lazy. There were moments of glory such as "Never Enough" and "Crazy In Love" and even some really interesting innovation on parts of "Rain Man" and "Big Weenie". It was full of irony and tongue in cheek.

He did however bring some half-ass nature to Encore. The whole album felt like a mixed bag in every sense. Half silly half serious, half Em production, half Dre. It felt more like two mixtapes as apposed to one album. And I know stuff like "Ass Like That" is just him taking the piss and being himself and I like the fact he always does that. But honestly... A track like that should not make an official Eminem album ffs.

The lyricism on Relapse however is incredible. His wordplay and rhyme schemes are totally magic these days and he's obviously passionate about the craft again as apposed to being passionate about things which don't really matter or contribute to him making great tracks.

When before has he come close to the lyricism of "Stay Wide Awake". Nearly every syllable rhymes, rhymes within rhymes, repetition rhymes, slick vocabulary... He's just become an awe-inspiring poet.

After The Eminem Show he became too much of an emotional "poor me" rapper. He used to get the balance right but stuff like "When I'm Gone" (which I do like) just became too predictable and sluggish.

Now he sounds totally energized in every direction. Never a dull moment.

Flows - Never before has he stretched himself so much in terms of flows. He shows on Relapse why he's the best rapper. He can do any flow that any other rapper can do AND better. He can do what any great can do better than they can but they can't do what he can.

Within the space of a few tracks you'd swear you were listening to a different rapper. Not only does he mix it up every album, he mixes it up every track. Never cliche' and always on-point.

Every flow is so polished. No other rapper perfects their flow(s) to the same level. He maximizes the syllable of every sentence and animates every line. Even if he's saying something totally absurd or silly, he puts so much effort and self-belief into the delivery of it, it sounds brilliant.

Most rappers keep one flow for a decade, do more or less the same thing every album then retire. He reinvents himself every album, that's why he's still got all the excitement after a decade. Because you truly never do know what you're gonna get. He could flip the coin at any moment.

Storytelling - A lot of people are saying Relapse has no substance or gets repetitive with the rapes, killings etc. I'll tell you why it doesn't for me:

When he used to rap about this stuff as Slim Shady, he was still him but just adding some twisted stuff in there for effect / reaction.

Now he's become a totally committed lyrical poet. To the point that he's fully taking form of a mindset and creating mass imagery through every verse. He stays on-point and goes into such profound detail and pyschology. Everything progresses, stuff like "Same Song & Dance" is just dark genius.

He's taking himself out of the picture now. He's spazzing out, creating real art. He's no longer just focusing on his life, he's creating genuinely important lyrical pieces that will stand the test of time more than his other work simply because what he's talking about / delving into is timeless.

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To sum up, Relapse goes from one brilliant track to the next. The only track which sticks out like a sore thumb is CAB and that never should of made the cut. Had he put "My Darling" as track 2 and "Careful What You Wish For" instead of CAB then it would be a 5/5 album for me. Because he didn't and ended up putting a totally irrelevant party song with an abysmal 50 Cent appearance on an otherwise fantastic piece of horror-rap then it's a 4.

Solid production, excellent lyricism, flawless flows. He's energized and passionate again and he just cares about rhyming and delivery more than anything. The way it should be. If you'd rather listen to him simplistically and slowly bitch about how hard it is to be famous, why Kim's a bitch or how he loves Halie be my guest.

He's thinking bigger now and with this album has (to me at least) created a totally original, interesting and thriving piece of musical art in an industry and genre that is both slumped, boring, repetitive and uninspired. A feat not to be snuffed at in this day and age.

I'd much rather hear some twisted psycho rap in tremendous lyrical detail these days. I don't want a repeat performance, his first four are there to cherish. What he's doing now is great. Can't wait for R2.

Wow he bitch slapped all the Relapse haters
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Re: XXL gave a XL for Relapse ! [Image inside]

Postby Wreck » Jul 10th, '09, 20:13

What people don't factor in, is the good and bad songs on Encore..they just base their hate on Encore off of the Big Weenie type songs...Ass Like That, Just Lose It etc.
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Re: XXL gave a XL for Relapse ! [Image inside]

Postby CB Productions » Jul 10th, '09, 23:59

Eminemnow wrote:Nearly every syllable rhymes, rhymes within rhymes, repetition rhymes, slick vocabulary


Not to mention, he was doing all of that while telling a story and switching off point of views within the verse. I can't even imagine how difficult it is to do all of that while still telling a coherent story.

RealSickLindley wrote:What the fuck was My Name is' point? :laughing:


To introduce the world to himself/a crazy motherfucker named Slim Shady. Where as We Made You's point was to convince female celebrities that didn't want him, that they did want him by insulting them...
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Re: XXL gave a XL for Relapse ! [Image inside]

Postby SeoNv » Jul 11th, '09, 00:31

mi Top Em:
1.- Marshall Mathers
2.- Eminem Show - Relapse
3.- Encore
4- Slim Shady

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XXL - Must Be The Ganja :y:
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Re: XXL gave a XL for Relapse ! [Image inside]

Postby Wreck » Jul 11th, '09, 00:57

SeoNv wrote:mi Top Em:
1.- Marshall Mathers
2.- Eminem Show - Relapse
3.- Encore
4- Slim Shady

:smoking:

XXL - Must Be The Ganja :y:


I really disagree with you, sorry...it's your opinion so It's cool

for me its

1. The Eminem Show (by a little bit, only cause I enjoy it more)
2. The Marshall Mathers LP
3. The Slim Shady LP
4. Encore
5. Relapse

Relapse 2 could be 3rd...I don't think it will match at all TES or MMLP status, but you never know...

Sorry Chet, but we're talking about Relapse...just comparing it to other Em projects/albums overall.... :8)
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Re: XXL gave a XL for Relapse ! [Image inside]

Postby CB Productions » Jul 11th, '09, 01:08

1. The Eminem Show
2. The Marshall Mathers LP
3. The Slim Shady LP
4. Relapse
5. Encore

(I guess we are not including Infinite)
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Re: XXL gave a XL for Relapse ! [Image inside]

Postby James R. » Jul 11th, '09, 01:13

SeoNv wrote:mi Top Em:
1.- Marshall Mathers
2.- Eminem Show - Relapse
3.- Encore
4- Slim Shady

:smoking:

XXL - Must Be The Ganja :y:

Yeah you must be on the ganja for that retarded ass ranking...
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Re: XXL gave a XL for Relapse ! [Image inside]

Postby vermin » Jul 11th, '09, 02:12

for me We made you, Same song & Dance and Staw Wide awake is XXL, but Medicine ball is like an M... (the lyrics and the flow's not bad, but the beat is sooo weird... :'( )
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Re: XXL gave a XL for Relapse ! [Image inside]

Postby Wreck » Jul 11th, '09, 02:43

Eminemnow wrote:1. The Eminem Show
2. The Marshall Mathers LP
3. The Slim Shady LP / Relapse
4. Encore

Although it's very hard to put any of them above each other leaving Encore aside as they're all great for different reasons.


i agree with you, except I move relapse down 2 spots
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Re: XXL gave a XL for Relapse ! [Image inside]

Postby slimsoxshady » Jul 11th, '09, 03:43

Relapse
TES
MMLP
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Encore
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