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Re: Fabolous Says He Sides With Eminem

Postby Evil-Genius » Aug 9th, '09, 19:58

We all can agree that Slim shady`s Lyrical abilities shows MORE when he Diss somebody in fact Way more , Maybe thats just me ? Correct me
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Re: Fabolous Says He Sides With Eminem

Postby Shady'baby. » Aug 9th, '09, 20:53

Evil-Genius wrote:We all can agree that Slim shady`s Lyrical abilities shows MORE when he Diss somebody in fact Way more , Maybe thats just me ? Correct me


For sure, just look at "warning" i find it alot better than whole relapse ( not counting 3-4 songs)
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Re: Fabolous Says He Sides With Eminem

Postby Evil-Genius » Aug 9th, '09, 20:58

Shady'baby. wrote:
Evil-Genius wrote:We all can agree that Slim shady`s Lyrical abilities shows MORE when he Diss somebody in fact Way more , Maybe thats just me ? Correct me


For sure, just look at "warning" i find it alot better than whole relapse ( not counting 3-4 songs)

Yea I said the same thing to many people that " The warning " Was better than 80% of relapse
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Re: Fabolous Says He Sides With Eminem

Postby Tash8 » Aug 9th, '09, 21:54

Shady'baby. wrote:
Tash8 wrote:^ beefing has nothing to do with being a better rapper, dude... that's called battle raps, that's where you get on stage and diss people just to prove your better, like in 8 mile..

when youre beefing wtih someone, your whole point is to fuck up their sales and fuck up their image...because thats' when shit gets personal



Many of you guys think eminems best tracks are his diss tracks, so how doesnt it show whos the better rapper if rapper A disses rapper B alot harder and better i find him the greater rapper then


just cause eminem's songs are better when he's pissed doesn't mean everyone else's are... right?
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Re: Fabolous Says He Sides With Eminem

Postby BILI » Aug 9th, '09, 21:59

Tash8 wrote:
Shady'baby. wrote:
Tash8 wrote:^ beefing has nothing to do with being a better rapper, dude... that's called battle raps, that's where you get on stage and diss people just to prove your better, like in 8 mile..

when youre beefing wtih someone, your whole point is to fuck up their sales and fuck up their image...because thats' when shit gets personal



Many of you guys think eminems best tracks are his diss tracks, so how doesnt it show whos the better rapper if rapper A disses rapper B alot harder and better i find him the greater rapper then


just cause eminem's songs are better when he's pissed doesn't mean everyone else's are... right?

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Re: Fabolous Says He Sides With Eminem

Postby Shady'baby. » Aug 9th, '09, 22:06

Tash8 wrote:
Shady'baby. wrote:
Tash8 wrote:^ beefing has nothing to do with being a better rapper, dude... that's called battle raps, that's where you get on stage and diss people just to prove your better, like in 8 mile..

when youre beefing wtih someone, your whole point is to fuck up their sales and fuck up their image...because thats' when shit gets personal



Many of you guys think eminems best tracks are his diss tracks, so how doesnt it show whos the better rapper if rapper A disses rapper B alot harder and better i find him the greater rapper then


just cause eminem's songs are better when he's pissed doesn't mean everyone else's are... right?


That might be true, but still just look at Nas and Jay, nas won with Ether which is also one of my fav songs, and by winning he in my opinion again showed that hes the better rapper, its simple math both rappers want to win the Beef but yet only one rapper ends up winning usually, and why did that 1 rapper win because he had better flows rhymez and w/e so how can u still say that winning a beef doesnt show who the better rapper is.
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Re: Fabolous Says He Sides With Eminem

Postby Tash8 » Aug 9th, '09, 23:00

Shady'baby. wrote:That might be true, but still just look at Nas and Jay, nas won with Ether which is also one of my fav songs, and by winning he in my opinion again showed that hes the better rapper, its simple math both rappers want to win the Beef but yet only one rapper ends up winning usually, and why did that 1 rapper win because he had better flows rhymez and w/e so how can u still say that winning a beef doesnt show who the better rapper is.


no. your describing a battle rap, like where it's head to head type match up, like 8 mile kinda... except that isn't beefing, beef is something personal. youre trying to fuck up the other dudes life basically... jayz fucked nas' career more than nas did to jay, which was proven when nas had to sign to jays label
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Re: Fabolous Says He Sides With Eminem

Postby James R. » Aug 9th, '09, 23:38

Ok Shady'baby I understand your point. But Tash is right, you're misinterpreting beef and confusing it with a battle. When you BATTLE someone then you take Rapper A and Rapper B and let them spit however many verses or songs and then a large group of people decides who won the battle. Even in a beef between 2 low profile rappers it may end up being brought down to lyrics to determine who won since neither has a career.

However when you're talking about the hip hop elite it's NOT the same. For example some would say Canibus beat Eminem lyrically in their beef. But who's sold 70+ million records? Eminem and 50 DID end Ja Rules career. Dude was a multi platinum artist with a strong label behind him, but what happened? 50 came up and erased his credibility and Eminem and crew came up behind him and were able to beat down his image enough that no one wanted to be a Ja Rule fan.

When it comes to high profile rap beefs it's all about damaging your opponent's reputation and image. Meaning you want to draw as many people away from them as you possibly can. You want to be seen as the clear victor. How do you do that? You make them as irrelevant as you possibly can, so people look back and say "oh Ja was doin ok til 50 and company pulled his skirt up and killed him." or "Prodigy was still aight until Jay released that Takeover track and burried him."

It's all about image. That's why anyone can say LL won the beef with Canibus. Canibus fucked LL the fuck up lyrically, but Canibus still has no career. Joe Budden won his beef with Game, but Game has a career. Being a rapper is about more than lyrics. Image, longevity, and your ability to bounce back play a vital role and they have to be taken into consideration when you're talking about rap beefs.
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Re: Fabolous Says He Sides With Eminem

Postby BILI » Aug 9th, '09, 23:45

James R. wrote:Ok Shady'baby I understand your point. But Tash is right, you're misinterpreting beef and confusing it with a battle. When you BATTLE someone then you take Rapper A and Rapper B and let them spit however many verses or songs and then a large group of people decides who won the battle. Even in a beef between 2 low profile rappers it may end up being brought down to lyrics to determine who won since neither has a career.

However when you're talking about the hip hop elite it's NOT the same. For example some would say Canibus beat Eminem lyrically in their beef. But who's sold 70+ million records? Eminem and 50 DID end Ja Rules career. Dude was a multi platinum artist with a strong label behind him, but what happened? 50 came up and erased his credibility and Eminem and crew came up behind him and were able to beat down his image enough that no one wanted to be a Ja Rule fan.

When it comes to high profile rap beefs it's all about damaging your opponent's reputation and image. Meaning you want to draw as many people away from them as you possibly can. You want to be seen as the clear victor. How do you do that? You make them as irrelevant as you possibly can, so people look back and say "oh Ja was doin ok til 50 and company pulled his skirt up and killed him." or "Prodigy was still aight until Jay released that Takeover track and burried him."

It's all about image. That's why anyone can say LL won the beef with Canibus. Canibus fucked LL the fuck up lyrically, but Canibus still has no career. Joe Budden won his beef with Game, but Game has a career. Being a rapper is about more than lyrics. Image, longevity, and your ability to bounce back play a vital role and they have to be taken into consideration when you're talking about rap beefs.

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Re: Fabolous Says He Sides With Eminem

Postby Shady'baby. » Aug 10th, '09, 00:00

I understand what Tash is saying and i also understand what you are saying, but Nas won lyrically his image wasnt harmed or anything, why didint jayz career go down then??


"That's why anyone can say LL won the beef with Canibus. Canibus fucked LL the fuck up lyrically, but Canibus still has no career"

Alright we can say that LL won, but we clearly could see that Canibus is the better rapper right?
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Re: Fabolous Says He Sides With Eminem

Postby cc20 » Aug 10th, '09, 00:28

slimsoxshady wrote:
Coleon wrote:just sayin Fab and Em would make a good ass club hit

lol at Eminem droppin a verse on Throw It in the Bag


lmao. haha,a verse on Throw It in the Bag...wow
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Re: Fabolous Says He Sides With Eminem

Postby James R. » Aug 10th, '09, 00:33

Shady'baby. wrote:I understand what Tash is saying and i also understand what you are saying, but Nas won lyrically his image wasnt harmed or anything, why didint jayz career go down then??


"That's why anyone can say LL won the beef with Canibus. Canibus fucked LL the fuck up lyrically, but Canibus still has no career"

Alright we can say that LL won, but we clearly could see that Canibus is the better rapper right?

Yeah clearly Bis is better just like clearly Nas is a better rapper. And Nas image was called into question when Jay made several valid points about him being a complete hypocrite with his lyrics and people just siding with him cuz he spit that "deep" shit. And Jay's career didn't go down because he was too big. There wasn't a single rapper at that time that could have harmed Jay's reputation without something past "you bite big's lyrics" and "you got dick sucking lips"
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Re: Fabolous Says He Sides With Eminem

Postby Evil-Genius » Aug 10th, '09, 10:59

I dont understand how could some people say that Canibus won the beef with Em ? Some people didnt even know who he is untill Em dissed him , And in the Track Can i Bitch Em wasnt trying at all and he destroyed him completely and made everyone who listened to that track laugh his ass out Even Bis fans Lol.

I figure if I stick him with a fork he's done
So I stabbed him twice, kept jabbin', Christ
He won't die, this guy's like a battered wife
He's like Kim, he keeps comin' back for more
But he won't fight back, I cracked his jaw
Hold up, 'Bis quit foldin' up!
Punch me in the chest! Make my shoulders touch!
Do somethin'! At least one punchline
C'mon till the meter reads 9-9-9-
ty-nine percent of my fans are blonde
'Bis c'mon answer me man respond!
Tell me 'bout the sun rain moon and stars
Intergalatical metaphors from Mars!
Raw to the floor, raw like Reservoir Dogs
Bite another line from Redman's song!
Suddenly the stub of a dead man's arm
From a midget, reaches out from under the car
It's JD, this motherfucker won't die neither
Dre starts sprayin' him with cans of ether
We stomped the bitch and then stomped the bitch again
(Compton!) Detroit bitch! Talk some shit again!

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