The American Health Care System

[RapName]

I wanne know how you americans feel about the health care system in america.

1. How is it now? How is it for poor people?
2. What do you think of what Obama is planning to do? Will it be better or will it be communisme?

[eminemgirl1234]

Woooooooooooooooooow! Just woooooooooooooow!

[AbramIsaac]

The american health care system is broken. Right now between non-paying patients, rising malpractice costs, and the health insurance system, prices are ridiculously high.

We're the only Western country of our size to not have universal healthcare, I believe, and we spend more on our health care than any other country--except perhaps Canada--and a large percentage of Americans don't even benefit from it.

The "Communism" argument against Obama doesn't make any sense. At most it's socialism--which isn't viewed as a bad thing in most other places in the world (see Europe)--and it's only dealing with medicine. Obama is pushing a Government Option though, not Universal Healthcare. The difference is, with the G.O., there are still health insurance providers, which I honestly don't see as being sufficient compared to the Universal Healthcare that he should be pushing for.

Alot of the opposition to government-run healthcare stems from the extremist right wing, driven by fear of things that just aren't true (death panels, etc) by shock-jock media like Fox News.

[Back.Again]

I'm sorry to tell you that, but you Americans, you look so stupid (again) in our eyes, in Europeans eyes when it's about the Health Care System...

Do you agree that everybody (poor & riches) should have the same and the best medical treatment ? I mean, it's sound so logic that a poor guy can have the best health care, even if he's poor ?

Here in europe it's about that: You pay every year something like 50 $ every year. But if a day, you were injured, you shoudln't stresss about the bill to pay when you quit the hospital, even if it should cost 3500$, it will be payed by the health care system, same for medication ... Where do you see a problem ?

Shouldn't it be better than the whole wountry have healthy people and that the medical treatment is accesible to everybody ?

[AbramIsaac]

I'm sorry to tell you that, but you Americans, you look so stupid (again) in our eyes, in Europeans eyes when it's about the Health Care System...

Not to be a dick...but fuck off.

You realize that it's not the people that are technically holding back Health Care reform, right? It's the fact that we have a political party spreading hysteria and paranoia about government programs. It's the GOP (Republicans) that have held these programs back, so they can drum up support for their other bullshit agendas when they get back into power.

So when you worded your reply to this thread, you talked as if this isn't a concept that most Americans would support. Most Americans WOULD support such a thing, as there are generally more Democrats than Republicans throughout our history (since the Republican party became a major one) but we have the issue of a President trying to heal the deep split between the two parties with bipartisanship. That's where he fucked up. He should've just said "Fuck the Republicans, they've never done anything good for anyone", and went on with reform.

He should've pushed for the Universal Healthcare, like you (oh so intelligent) Europeans have.

Just to be clear though, I don't have a problem with your views, I'd love to live in Europe, and I think you guys have it pretty much figured out. I'm only coming at you because your post seemed to suggest that the American people are just too dumb to have figured out that the Healthcare system is broken, which most all of us have.

[Noeezy]

The american health care system is broken. Right now between non-paying patients, rising malpractice costs, and the health insurance system, prices are ridiculously high.

We're the only Western country of our size to not have universal healthcare, I believe, and we spend more on our health care than any other country--except perhaps Canada--and a large percentage of Americans don't even benefit from it.

The "Communism" argument against Obama doesn't make any sense. At most it's socialism--which isn't viewed as a bad thing in most other places in the world (see Europe)--and it's only dealing with medicine. Obama is pushing a Government Option though, not Universal Healthcare. The difference is, with the G.O., there are still health insurance providers, which I honestly don't see as being sufficient compared to the Universal Healthcare that he should be pushing for.

Alot of the opposition to government-run healthcare stems from the extremist right wing, driven by fear of things that just aren't true (death panels, etc) by shock-jock media like Fox News.

So apparently most of the opposition has actually put thought into it.
Most of the things stated aren't true. For one Obama said that you will still keep your private insurance with your employer, which is false because once theres a public option your employer will be able to transfer you over to it, thus eliminating private insurance. The reason private insurance is important is because we live in a market society where innovation and productivity is driven by competition, if theres only one provider then what is going to improve the healthcare system?

I know there needs to be some kind of reform but definately not the one they have right now, in my opinion it would be a longer process of building more hospitals and motivating more students to go to medical school so that in the future we can provide the same care to every citizen and not worry about crowded hospitals and not getting enough care.

Do some research and you'll see we have a greater survival rate as well as easier access to advanced medical technology, which is the result of having competition in the private healthcare industry.
Even look to places like Canada that have used the Universal system and you'll see most aren't happy with it because you have to wait months for operation on a condition that can kill you in weeks. That's why theres people coming over to US to have the operation done because we have better access to medical technology. If Canada started to allow private insurance in 2005, how great does that make the universal plan sound? not that great.

And that's why I say if democrats were smart, they would be republican.
At least they took out the death panels though, I can't even believe that got on the bill in the first place.

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[AbramIsaac]

Death panels? Really now? I didn't think that rational people believed that nonsense. End of life counseling doesn't equate to a death panel. I believe that would be more like hospice service than anything else. BUT, that's not the main issue here.

In 2007, here in the U.S., we spent an average of $7,290 per person on health care--16% of the gross domestic product. In Canada, they spent 10%, the British spent 8.4%, and the Japanese spent 8%.

So, as far as spending, we spend more than our industrialized peers. What about our quality of health care? The World Health Organization ranks us 37th in the world. That's awesome, I can see what you mean by competition in the health care industry spurring innovation. BTW, our rank puts us just ahead of Slovenia--makes sense considering the fact that they are just a tiny bit less advanced in the area than us.

On top of everything else, since insurance coverage is oftentimes provided through American's jobs, there is little need for strong competition to bring premiums down--after all, business can afford such premiums at the sacrifice of salary increase for workers--and since Americans tend to change jobs every five years, preventative care isn't something that is exactly encouraged. If American's had one health insurance provider, preventative care would be something akin to an investment, but since jobs are changed (along with insurance providers, from job to job) it is an investment that may benefit the competition.

As for the need of more doctors and hospitals, consider the fact that doctor's malpractice insurance is another reason health costs are so high. In France, doctors usually pay under 1,000 dollars a year for malpractice insurance, and medical school is less expensive. In America, doctors can typically pay tens of thousands per year.

If Republicans were to open their eyes, perhaps they would be the ones to change parties.

[Noeezy]

Death panels? Really now? I didn't think that rational people believed that nonsense. End of life counseling doesn't equate to a death panel. I believe that would be more like hospice service than anything else. BUT, that's not the main issue here.

In 2007, here in the U.S., we spent an average of $7,290 per person on health care--16% of the gross domestic product. In Canada, they spent 10%, the British spent 8.4%, and the Japanese spent 8%.

So, as far as spending, we spend more than our industrialized peers. What about our quality of health care? The World Health Organization ranks us 37th in the world. That's awesome, I can see what you mean by competition in the health care industry spurring innovation. BTW, our rank puts us just ahead of Slovenia--makes sense considering the fact that they are just a tiny bit less advanced in the area than us.

On top of everything else, since insurance coverage is oftentimes provided through American's jobs, there is little need for strong competition to bring premiums down--after all, business can afford such premiums at the sacrifice of salary increase for workers--and since Americans tend to change jobs every five years, preventative care isn't something that is exactly encouraged. If American's had one health insurance provider, preventative care would be something akin to an investment, but since jobs are changed (along with insurance providers, from job to job) it is an investment that may benefit the competition.

As for the need of more doctors and hospitals, consider the fact that doctor's malpractice insurance is another reason health costs are so high. In France, doctors usually pay under 1,000 dollars a year for malpractice insurance, and medical school is less expensive. In America, doctors can typically pay tens of thousands per year.

If Republicans were to open their eyes, perhaps they would be the ones to change parties.

like I said, the system we have needs to be improved, but not the way they are planning it out.
I could go on and on about what's wrong with it but i'd rather save some time (cause im tired as fuck) and just hope that they come up with a better plan that we could develop over time to fit the budget.

[DrunkenDeath]

Think of it this way.


Armed bank robbers are amateurs.

[D@vid]

wow

who really cares? the big healthcare companies are gonna keep paying the gov money to shut up, n we will all suffer. i live in a family of six, n im the only one with health care cuz im the only one working n paying for my own shit. the democrats don't know or do shit. thats why the poor, mostly, support them. the poor grow up with nothing, hear the gov is gonna do this and that, don't realize that the taxpayers have to pay for it (which is everybody in the US, including them) and then support what their views are. THE REAL ISSUES ARE EDUCATION AND COMMON SENSE. Wake up assholes, and smell the cup of bullshit. Obama promised to cut the deficit, which he did, after spending trillions on saving corporations, then cutting back on other bs. U R STUPID IF U BUY INTO 75% of the BS that politicians say. It has always been, and always (most likely) be that way in the US. FUCK THE DEMOCRATS

[Mr. Chambers]

it sucks dick............and it's not going to get better anytime soon........obama's "plan" is horrible...tbh....its gonna take away MORE of our freedom if i read the major points correctly.......(armband around our arm with our medical info......like we're fucking dogs or some shit).......i've only had health insurance for maybe a year outta my life........cuz quite frankly my parents or i can't afford it off our wages.....which sucks for me.....cuz according to my famiyl tree....i'm suppose to be getting diabetes and i have a risk of cancer since its on my mom's side and she decided it was wise to smoke while i was in the womb ....stupid bitch......but yea...and i also got MVP (mitrol valve prolapse) and i'm suppose to get echo's and shit yearly to see if its getting worse...and their like $300 a pop...and i just don't got the cash to do it......i've never had a "check up"........i've been to the doctors while i had health concerns abotu a year back......but thats about it..........

and companies screw employee's outta benefits..........(well some)...cuz in order to get benefits (if even available) ppl have to work 40 hours (full time)....so they'll schedule people to work 35ish hours so they don't need to supply them with benefits..............



overall it sucks........thats why i plan on getting the fuck outta here some day.................

[eminemgirl1234]

Well, Fuck all of ya'll! Shit!

[DrunkenDeath]

the economy is not broken or damaged. this includes the health care system. it was designed to be the way it is. don't believe me?

think of it this way, the government is making schools teach about masturbation and other sexual shit to kindergarteners, it was in the news a few months ago. and anyone with a brain and common sense knows that five year olds don't know anything about sexual stuff, all they know is they have skin down there and pee comes from it. that's it.

[Noeezy]

the economy is not broken or damaged. this includes the health care system. it was designed to be the way it is. don't believe me?

think of it this way, the government is making schools teach about masturbation and other sexual shit to kindergarteners, it was in the news a few months ago. and anyone with a brain and common sense knows that five year olds don't know anything about sexual stuff, all they know is they have skin down there and pee comes from it. that's it.

what does masturbation have to do with healthcare?