Em and Jay-z the modern day Pac and Biggie?

[Relapse.LP]

Why compare dead rappers to alive rappers...

I always see these comparisons and I think the person who started the thread is trying to assure himself that Eminem will always be good.

[Shady'baby.]

Fact that jayz is overrated cuz of a couple good albums is the reason why eminem shits on his big ass lips anyday

[Relapse.LP]

Fact that jayz is overrated cuz of a couple good albums is the reason why eminem shits on his big ass lips anyday

Then, it's too bad Reasonable Doubt lyrically and musically destroys The Marshall Mathers LP and the Blueprint plain beats The Eminem Show, hm?

You say Jay-Z is overrated, because of a COUPLE good albums. Eminem only got a COUPLE TOTAL albums and half of them aren't on Jay-Z's level. Encore just plain sucked, don't defend it, it is whack compared to his other work and Relapse isn't on... say.... The Black Album's level in any sense.

Hate on me, haha. You will, I know, but I know what I'm saying.

[classthe_king]

Fact that jayz is overrated cuz of a couple good albums is the reason why eminem shits on his big ass lips anyday

Then, it's too bad Reasonable Doubt lyrically and musically destroys The Marshall Mathers LP and the Blueprint plain beats The Eminem Show, hm?

You say Jay-Z is overrated, because of a COUPLE good albums. Eminem only got a COUPLE TOTAL albums and half of them aren't on Jay-Z's level. Encore just plain sucked, don't defend it, it is whack compared to his other work and Relapse isn't on... say.... The Black Album's level in any sense.

Hate on me, haha. You will, I know, but I know what I'm saying.

Ive already given my opinion on this topic. Your right about Relapse and Encore but MMLP, SSLP and TES are better then The Blueprint or the Black Album. And I like them better then Reasonable Doubt but i also recognize that on a lyrical level Reasonable Doubt is the best album of all of them.

[blitches]

im just sayin, im comparin em to pac cuz they were both controversial rappers, and they have similar childhood stories and were/ are considered the best, biggie and jay z were pretty much the same seein as how they come from the same backrounds, im just sayin em and jay z are this generations 2pac and biggie. without the beef or bloody deaths lol

[Relapse.LP]

im just sayin, im comparin em to pac cuz they were both controversial rappers, and they have similar childhood stories and were/ are considered the best, biggie and jay z were pretty much the same seein as how they come from the same backrounds, im just sayin em and jay z are this generations 2pac and biggie. without the beef or bloody deaths lol

Nah, Eminem and 2Pac have radically different childhood stories. One came from the ghetto and one came from a poor neighborhood.

Biggie and Jay-Z are also extremely different and although they both grew up in Brooklyn, their respective Backgrounds are different.

You can't really say a rapper is like another rapper in that sense, sorry. Eminem's music is not close to 2Pac's music and although Jay-Z bites Biggie's lines, Jay-Z's music is not close to Biggie's music either.

In my opinion, 2Pac and Biggie are on a whole different level than Jay-Z and Eminem.

[Wic Kid]

Then, it's too bad Reasonable Doubt lyrically and musically destroys The Marshall Mathers LP and the Blueprint plain beats The Eminem Show, hm?

Says who? You?

You know, I noticed that you actin like some well educated rap critic. So please, stop statin your opinion as well known facts. Fuckin punk...

[Shady'baby.]

Here's a real fact Jay-z fell off way more than Eminem = eminem destroys jayz. Fact 2 renegade showed that Eminem slaughters Jay. Fact 3 Jay got maybe more albums but hasnt acomplished as much with them as Eminem has with his (sales/fanbase). Fact 4 Jay-z got destroyed by THE GAME, Eminem didint get destroyed by anyone eminem > jay. Fact 5 not so much to do with rap but with personality Jay doesnt give a rats ass about his friends even if they made him who he is (Damon dash) also why Eminem > jay. Fact 6 Relapse shits on reasonable doubt lyrically. Fact 7 nas.

[FalseProphet]

....I never realized how contradicting "facts" can be

[Relapse.LP]

Then, it's too bad Reasonable Doubt lyrically and musically destroys The Marshall Mathers LP and the Blueprint plain beats The Eminem Show, hm?

Says who? You?

You know, I noticed that you actin like some well educated rap critic. So please, stop statin your opinion as well known facts. Fuckin punk...

I'm not trying to act like a rap critic, haha. But if you think that Reasonable Doubt isn't a better album than MMLP, just look at the reviews and if you doubt them, post this question on Yahoo Answers and see what comes up, stupid Stan.

Just because in some areas I think Eminem isn't as strong as others doesn't mean my opinion is bullshit, fucking retard.

Here's a real fact Jay-z fell off way more than Eminem = eminem destroys jayz. Fact 2 renegade showed that Eminem slaughters Jay. Fact 3 Jay got maybe more albums but hasnt acomplished as much with them as Eminem has with his (sales/fanbase). Fact 4 Jay-z got destroyed by THE GAME, Eminem didint get destroyed by anyone eminem > jay. Fact 5 not so much to do with rap but with personality Jay doesnt give a rats ass about his friends even if they made him who he is (Damon dash) also why Eminem > jay. Fact 6 Relapse shits on reasonable doubt lyrically. Fact 7 nas.

So did you have to wikipedia to get these facts? Typical Stans don't know shit about hip hop. I'm going to downplay each of your facts, sigh.

1. Jay-Z never fell off. American Gangster was pretty damn good and annihilates Relapse. Eminem destroying Jay-Z is purely opinion as they have never beefed.

2. Eminem did have the stronger verse in "Renegade", but there was no slaughtering involved.

3. Dude, saying Jay-Z hasn't accomplished as much as Eminem is fucking ignorant. Without Jay-Z, think of the rap game now. Who the fuck gives a damn about sales? And Jay-Z got more number 1 albums, mind you. If you got a fan base full of stupid Stans like you, who the fuck gives a damn?

4. Jay-Z got destroyed by the Game? When? Jay-Z is not even beefing with a groupie like Game. The Game is fucking stupid: dissing rappers to get attention. First G-Unit, then Jay. His raps are full of retarded name-dropping. That proves his creativity level is fucking low.

5. You think Jay-Z doesn't give a fuck about friends? He had some compatibility issues with Damon Dash, fucktard. Get your facts straight; they're still homies. It's a business issue. And that's like saying Eminem never had issues with his friends? (Royce da 5'9")

6. LOL. Reasonable Doubt is 20 times better than the highest expectation for Relapse. No album in the last 6-7 years touches Reasonable Doubt as a whole. (Lyrics, beats, influence.)

7. You're another typical person who thinks Jay-Z got murked by Nas by "Ether." I bet you never listened to "Takeover" OR "Ether", because if you did listen to them, Nas never destroyed Jay-Z. Yes, he won, but Takeover was one harsh track if you were actually there in 2001 when Jay-Z released the track. I remember the days Takeover and Ether dropped... Crazy shit back then.

Man, none of your facts are legit. Get the fuck out of here, Stan. If you're going to comment about hip hop, actually listen to hip hop, not just dickriding Slim. Seriously... as mczu said, 90% of you guys never even touched Reasonable Doubt. I bet 50% of you guys never heard of Reasonable Doubt until it was mentioned in the forum. smh

[Evan C.]

Jay-Z and Eminem are both great, but looking at things without bias, Eminem is better. Eminem's multis are usually true multis, meaning the syllables line-up. Jays don't most of the time.

They've both fallen off in their careers, difference with Eminem is that he seems to be back on his way up, while Jay-Z just put out an embarrassingly horrid album. Eminem has 1 strike (Encore), Jay-Z has been shitting the bed since 2005 or so, whenever that Linkin Park collab came out.

Back in the late 90s/early 2000s it was actually close, but Em has always been the better emcee.

[macdaddy019967]

Here's a real fact Jay-z fell off way more than Eminem = eminem destroys jayz. Fact 2 renegade showed that Eminem slaughters Jay. Fact 3 Jay got maybe more albums but hasnt acomplished as much with them as Eminem has with his (sales/fanbase). Fact 4 Jay-z got destroyed by THE GAME, Eminem didint get destroyed by anyone eminem > jay. Fact 5 not so much to do with rap but with personality Jay doesnt give a rats ass about his friends even if they made him who he is (Damon dash) also why Eminem > jay. Fact 6 Relapse shits on reasonable doubt lyrically. Fact 7 nas.

amen

[shayde8701]

Then, it's too bad Reasonable Doubt lyrically and musically destroys The Marshall Mathers LP and the Blueprint plain beats The Eminem Show, hm?

Says who? You?

You know, I noticed that you actin like some well educated rap critic. So please, stop statin your opinion as well known facts. Fuckin punk...

I'm not trying to act like a rap critic, haha. But if you think that Reasonable Doubt isn't a better album than MMLP, just look at the reviews and if you doubt them, post this question on Yahoo Answers and see what comes up, stupid Stan.

Just because in some areas I think Eminem isn't as strong as others doesn't mean my opinion is bullshit, fucking retard.

Here's a real fact Jay-z fell off way more than Eminem = eminem destroys jayz. Fact 2 renegade showed that Eminem slaughters Jay. Fact 3 Jay got maybe more albums but hasnt acomplished as much with them as Eminem has with his (sales/fanbase). Fact 4 Jay-z got destroyed by THE GAME, Eminem didint get destroyed by anyone eminem > jay. Fact 5 not so much to do with rap but with personality Jay doesnt give a rats ass about his friends even if they made him who he is (Damon dash) also why Eminem > jay. Fact 6 Relapse shits on reasonable doubt lyrically. Fact 7 nas.

So did you have to wikipedia to get these facts? Typical Stans don't know shit about hip hop. I'm going to downplay each of your facts, sigh.

1. Jay-Z never fell off. American Gangster was pretty damn good and annihilates Relapse. Eminem destroying Jay-Z is purely opinion as they have never beefed.

2. Eminem did have the stronger verse in "Renegade", but there was no slaughtering involved.

3. Dude, saying Jay-Z hasn't accomplished as much as Eminem is fucking ignorant. Without Jay-Z, think of the rap game now. Who the fuck gives a damn about sales? And Jay-Z got more number 1 albums, mind you. If you got a fan base full of stupid Stans like you, who the fuck gives a damn?

4. Jay-Z got destroyed by the Game? When? Jay-Z is not even beefing with a groupie like Game. The Game is fucking stupid: dissing rappers to get attention. First G-Unit, then Jay. His raps are full of retarded name-dropping. That proves his creativity level is fucking low.

5. You think Jay-Z doesn't give a fuck about friends? He had some compatibility issues with Damon Dash, fucktard. Get your facts straight; they're still homies. It's a business issue. And that's like saying Eminem never had issues with his friends? (Royce da 5'9")

6. LOL. Reasonable Doubt is 20 times better than the highest expectation for Relapse. No album in the last 6-7 years touches Reasonable Doubt as a whole. (Lyrics, beats, influence.)

7. You're another typical person who thinks Jay-Z got murked by Nas by "Ether." I bet you never listened to "Takeover" OR "Ether", because if you did listen to them, Nas never destroyed Jay-Z. Yes, he won, but Takeover was one harsh track if you were actually there in 2001 when Jay-Z released the track. I remember the days Takeover and Ether dropped... Crazy shit back then.

Man, none of your facts are legit. Get the fuck out of here, Stan. If you're going to comment about hip hop, actually listen to hip hop, not just dickriding Slim. Seriously... as mczu said, 90% of you guys never even touched Reasonable Doubt. I bet 50% of you guys never heard of Reasonable Doubt until it was mentioned in the forum. smh

Stop talking about "dick riding".. You just fucked Jay-z in your last comment.. I'm not even trying to be an ass, but when you keep calling people "stans", remember it's all opinion.. We can all very well say your a faggot for dick riding jay-z, right? haha.. bottom line this is a place for opinion and where people cane come together to talk about hip-hop.. So, getting away from that.. I agree with some of what you say, but Eminem is def the unique rapper.. I would very well say Jay and Em are the modern day Pac and Biggie.. All 4 of them are greats

[Alaine]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUgTcOR7isE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64xFJbyPRAo

Em beat Jay at freestyle Just look at those 2 videos, same year, same show, same host, both unannounced freestyle. Jay's 1 clap 2 clap freestyle made Em's samba freestyle looks like genius

[Alaine]

^ & that proves.... a whole lot of fucking nothing.

proves Em has more off the dome rhymes in his head than Jay