TR Eminem Problem

[Alaine]

The reason why there's a beef in a first place is stupid imo

[Xray]

The reason why there's a beef in a first place is stupid imo

For real, that was stupid and Canibus didn't need it. His career already fell back into the underground scene after what Cool J did, which was the biggest bitch move in hip hop history. Nothing really worth dissing another rapper for, let alone damage your career more. Only reason some say Eminem won the beef is because he has more fans and fame, therefore more people supporting Eminem regardless to the diss track.

[KaRtLiDgE]

eminem is the best lyricest ever. Only thing em hasn'tn done is change the game. Change the way everyone attacks a track. Rakim changed the game into what it is today. Superb flow and a true lyricist. Started multis and inner rhyming. Nas also did something simmilar. Thats basically how most people see it. But there really isnt that much that he could change for the better. Em's the best, but not the creator.

My opinion is that em mastered it better than anyone else ever.

[Xray]

eminem is the best lyricest ever. Only thing em hasn'tn done is change the game. Change the way everyone attacks a track. Rakim changed the game into what it is today. Superb flow and a true lyricist. Started multis and inner rhyming. Nas also did something simmilar. Thats basically how most people see it. But there really isnt that much that he could change for the better. Em's the best, but not the creator.

My opinion is that em mastered it better than anyone else ever.

Being an artist and lyricist is 2 separate things. Being an artist means your music is going to have to relate to people, but lyricism doesn't have to be emotion or moody at all. So in terms of lyricism, Rakim > Eminem & Nas. But in terms of being a great artist Eminem & Nas > Rakim. Rakim doesn't have as much as great songs as Nas and Eminem have. The amount of great tracks Nas and Eminem have is what takes it to the next level. Rakim's lyrics you can't really relate to it, it's very complex and doesn't really have any emotion to it. But that's how it is, the teacher is always respected for teaching, and the point of taking lessons from a teacher is to take it to the next step, which what Nas and Eminem did, aswell as a lot of others.

[macdaddy019967]

Eminem is the best.

[EminemIVLife]

eminem is the best lyricest ever. Only thing em hasn'tn done is change the game. Change the way everyone attacks a track. Rakim changed the game into what it is today. Superb flow and a true lyricist. Started multis and inner rhyming. Nas also did something simmilar. Thats basically how most people see it. But there really isnt that much that he could change for the better. Em's the best, but not the creator.

My opinion is that em mastered it better than anyone else ever.

Being an artist and lyricist is 2 separate things. Being an artist means your music is going to have to relate to people, but lyricism doesn't have to be emotion or moody at all. So in terms of lyricism, Rakim > Eminem & Nas. But in terms of being a great artist Eminem & Nas > Rakim. Rakim doesn't have as much as great songs as Nas and Eminem have. The amount of great tracks Nas and Eminem have is what takes it to the next level. Rakim's lyrics you can't really relate to it, it's very complex and doesn't really have any emotion to it. But that's how it is, the teacher is always respected for teaching, and the point of taking lessons from a teacher is to take it to the next step, which what Nas and Eminem did, aswell as a lot of others.

Agree with both of you. Rakim laid down a kind of blueprint, possibly Big Daddy Kane too but I'm not really a fan; and Em took shit to the next level technically + with artistry same as Nas

[KaRtLiDgE]

eminem is the best lyricest ever. Only thing em hasn'tn done is change the game. Change the way everyone attacks a track. Rakim changed the game into what it is today. Superb flow and a true lyricist. Started multis and inner rhyming. Nas also did something simmilar. Thats basically how most people see it. But there really isnt that much that he could change for the better. Em's the best, but not the creator.

My opinion is that em mastered it better than anyone else ever.

Being an artist and lyricist is 2 separate things. Being an artist means your music is going to have to relate to people, but lyricism doesn't have to be emotion or moody at all. So in terms of lyricism, Rakim > Eminem & Nas. But in terms of being a great artist Eminem & Nas > Rakim. Rakim doesn't have as much as great songs as Nas and Eminem have. The amount of great tracks Nas and Eminem have is what takes it to the next level. Rakim's lyrics you can't really relate to it, it's very complex and doesn't really have any emotion to it. But that's how it is, the teacher is always respected for teaching, and the point of taking lessons from a teacher is to take it to the next step, which what Nas and Eminem did, aswell as a lot of others.

I understand what ypur saying, but artist and lyricist arent nescecarily two different things. I aint trying to preach, this is just my opinion. Rap was created for people to relate to. Music in general was. After rappers like rakim, nas, krs1, biggie, etc... the challenge is making music people relate to, while also doing it in a way that displays skills. Showing not just anyone with problems or storys can become a rap superstar. SSLP, MMLP, TES had balance. Encore and Relapse did not.

I disagree about Rakim being a better lyricist than Em or nas though. Em better at rhyming and in his prime also maing music for people to relate to. I dont think you got the main idea of my post. Im saying Em did not change the game like them. He followed in thier footsteps and went further than them.

I think relapse was him trying to start a new trail. Putting more emphasis on lyrics and flow than in any album i've ever heard. Maybe encore too ("but encore just didn't have the calibur to match it, i guess enough time just aint passed yet, a couple more years that shit'll be Illmatic") as you know already, illmatic changed the game...

[EminemIVLife]

Yeah, the hip-hop golden age was well under way by the time Em came so he couldnt be a pioneer and create a whole new style / set new standards; but he build on what his peers did
Thats the true spirit of hip-hop

[KaRtLiDgE]

Yeah, the hip-hop golden age was well under way by the time Em came so he couldnt be a pioneer and create a whole new style / set new standards; but he build on what his peers did
Thats the true spirit of hip-hop

exactly. but hey who knows. in 10 years, shit even 5 years, it could be totally evolved. (wishfull thinking because i feel rap is being destroyed these days)

rakim's new album is fucking great and more people have listened to lil wayne's no ceilings. just sad.

[Xray]

eminem is the best lyricest ever. Only thing em hasn'tn done is change the game. Change the way everyone attacks a track. Rakim changed the game into what it is today. Superb flow and a true lyricist. Started multis and inner rhyming. Nas also did something simmilar. Thats basically how most people see it. But there really isnt that much that he could change for the better. Em's the best, but not the creator.

My opinion is that em mastered it better than anyone else ever.

Being an artist and lyricist is 2 separate things. Being an artist means your music is going to have to relate to people, but lyricism doesn't have to be emotion or moody at all. So in terms of lyricism, Rakim > Eminem & Nas. But in terms of being a great artist Eminem & Nas > Rakim. Rakim doesn't have as much as great songs as Nas and Eminem have. The amount of great tracks Nas and Eminem have is what takes it to the next level. Rakim's lyrics you can't really relate to it, it's very complex and doesn't really have any emotion to it. But that's how it is, the teacher is always respected for teaching, and the point of taking lessons from a teacher is to take it to the next step, which what Nas and Eminem did, aswell as a lot of others.

I understand what ypur saying, but artist and lyricist arent nescecarily two different things. I aint trying to preach, this is just my opinion. Rap was created for people to relate to. Music in general was. After rappers like rakim, nas, krs1, biggie, etc... the challenge is making music people relate to, while also doing it in a way that displays skills. Showing not just anyone with problems or storys can become a rap superstar. SSLP, MMLP, TES had balance. Encore and Relapse did not.

I disagree about Rakim being a better lyricist than Em or nas though. Em better at rhyming and in his prime also maing music for people to relate to. I dont think you got the main idea of my post. Im saying Em did not change the game like them. He followed in thier footsteps and went further than them.

I think relapse was him trying to start a new trail. Putting more emphasis on lyrics and flow than in any album i've ever heard. Maybe encore too ("but encore just didn't have the calibur to match it, i guess enough time just aint passed yet, a couple more years that shit'll be Illmatic") as you know already, illmatic changed the game...

I did understand your point, and in my opinion Rakim is way more complex than Eminem. Even though in a way Eminem did change the game. Before Eminem stepped in, who could ever say that a white rapper is the best rapper? You couldn't say that, and he helped the game realize that it's not about colour, and make it real nice for the next white rapper to give it his chance. IMO without Eminem, you wouldn't have competition in 2009. Look @ the BET cypher. Last year's cypher was wack, not much lyricism being kicked in. This years cypher, was much better and way more lyrical. If not so old rappers like Joe Budden, Royce tell you that Eminem's lyrics are amazing, then he did have a part in changing the game. I'm not saying that because of Eminem the bet cypher was dope, I'm saying bet staff were influenced to bring in more lyricist artists this year to the cypher because of the great amount of lyricists active this year. And each old lyrical rapper coming back into the scene helps Hip Hop build. Rakim even gave props to Eminem so yeah Eminem is great no doubt.

[EminemIVLife]

Yeah, the hip-hop golden age was well under way by the time Em came so he couldnt be a pioneer and create a whole new style / set new standards; but he build on what his peers did
Thats the true spirit of hip-hop

exactly. but hey who knows. in 10 years, shit even 5 years, it could be totally evolved. (wishfull thinking because i feel rap is being destroyed these days)

rakim's new album is fucking great and more people have listened to lil wayne's no ceilings. just sad.

Yeah, I just feel hip-hops best days are behind it. Now you have rappers singing to girls like its the done thing. All the GOATs are getting old; Jay Z getting love for his materialism and putting pop all over his album; ppl focusing more on dance moves and skanky legs; Gucci mane simple lyrics and dope beat is whats hot in the streets. I just think that there is no turning back and shit isnt gonna get better.

[Alaine]

Yeah, I just feel hip-hops best days are behind it. Now you have rappers singing to girls like its the done thing. All the GOATs are getting old; Jay Z getting love for his materialism and putting pop all over his album; ppl focusing more on dance moves and skanky legs; Gucci mane simple lyrics and dope beat is whats hot in the streets. I just think that there is no turning back and shit isnt gonna get better.

not just rap, mainstream music is getting crappier every year. That's why I don't listen to radio anymore.

[Xray]

They should create a new genre and put all that dance move/souljah boy/gucci mane type of music in that shit hole so they can stop eating from rap. People have turned into retards and they need shit like that so they can realize how homo it is. New genre's name: Homo Music.

[KaRtLiDgE]

okay well agree to disagree about em and rakim. but you are totally right about em being white. you could also say he spit with more emotion in his voice than anyone has ever heard. at the cyphers and things like that, i just think thats people stepping up thier games cuz him being there.

well have to wait and see what he can do with rap for the future. So many untalented rappers rapping about the same things with horrible pre-school rhymes. Em will be looked down on 20 years from now if rap declined under his watch. yea i know he was abscent from rap the for 4 years, but still.

if anything, you could say jay-z changed the game more than em, but in my opinion for the worse. i cant believe hes still talking about selling drugs and money. but he also adds now how great he thinks he is.

[EminemIVLife]

Agree (X-Ray), it really does seem like there is a plan to re-program this new generation into homos. Weaken every1's moral strength, desensitise them for whatever the future has to offer. Sadly, alot of us are going to be a part of this generation