Eminem is the best of all-time.

[EminemBase]

Well I use it in conversations if I'm talking about lyrics / rappers yeah lol.

I have no substitute, well I do but that's the point of a word which encompasses a lot of things in one.

It saves me articulating multiple points about a range of emotions and themes. It's much easier to just say lyricism and then define specifics if the conversation demands it.

[LLockhart86]

Are you an english teacher or something? Just wondering?

[EminemBase]

No lmao. I'm 19. From a poor part of South Wales (UK).

I left school at 15, soon as I could legally leave that shithole. Since then I've just been trying to make money online, doing drugs, blowing money.

More recently though I've just started writing a book and am starting a site which I'm going to build up for now and I hope it'll be a good sales-outlet for my book when I eventually get it published.

I also started a web design business a few months back. So if anybody needs a site PM haha.

[Wic Kid]

No lmao. I'm 19. From a poor part of South Wales (UK).

I left school at 15, soon as I could legally leave that shithole. Since then I've just been trying to make money online, doing drugs, blowing money.

More recently though I've just started writing a book and am starting a site which I'm going to build up for now and I hope it'll be a good sales-outlet for my book when I eventually get it published.

I also started a web design business a few months back. So if anybody needs a site PM haha.

You sound like a smart member. Your posts are quite interesting to read. Now please get an avatar so I could spot your posts more easier!

[imhavingarelapse]

My favorite quality in an artist is how much passion they put into their music. I used to hate hip-hop/rap until I heard Eminem. When I heard the 3rd verse of "Stan" I was like woah, I didn't know there was a rapper that spit with so much passion. Ever since then I've grown to love rap music.

Em tells personal stories from the heart and puts everything he has into his music. Not saying that others don't do that, but there's never gonna be a rapper that comes near him in my book.

[dR3]

When I heard the 3rd verse of "Stan" I was like woah, I didn't know there was a rapper that spit with so much passion.

Em tells personal stories from the heart and puts everything he has into his music. Not saying that others don't do that, but there's never gonna be a rapper that comes near him in my book.

Good argument, and that's what got me into listening to Eminem .

[EminemBase]

I was already into Em before "Stan".

It's actually surprisingly hard to remember the exact moment I first heard him.

I was aware of "My Name Is" and I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the video at 9. And that sparked the fascination but... I think it was then mainly "The Real Slim Shady" but more "The Way I Am" which really got me majorly into him.

It's kind of weird and annoying that nobody has sparked that intense interest since. I mean there's been artists like Kanye West and Kid Cudi which I thought "They're very good" and they have something about them and I listen to their stuff.

But nothing to the level of Eminem. But I was definitely already semi-obsessed before "Stan" came because I remember people talking about the video in class and me already being well aware of him.

[LLockhart86]

I knew what my name is was, but didnt like it much, I was really into still dre from the chronic album... and my buddy was like, you gotta listen to eminem on forgot about dre.

From then it was over with

[dR3]

I knew what my name is was, but didnt like it much, I was really into still dre from the chronic album... and my buddy was like, you gotta listen to eminem on forgot about dre.

From then it was over with

And when the cops came through
Me and Dre stood next to a burnt down house
With a can full of gas and a hand full of matches
And still weren't found out

[EminemBase]

Oh yeah, it was probably that song mainly that made me aware of him too. That song was huge.

Eminem doesn't get enough credit for re-inventing Dre either. People bang on about Dr. Dre blowing Em up but the main thing was his stamp of approval. Em produced most of the first album himself, some of the second (but was involved in everything) and all of The Eminem Show, which in my opinion is his best. Especially production wise.

And when it came to Dre's re-emergence, "Forgot About Dre" was huge for him. It's also a song people who weren't around for N.W.A associate him with thanks to Em. And Em wrote all of it. Not to mention all of his lyrics on future songs of his.

Em gave Dre a much cooler image imo. Before Em's 'Dre lyricism', Dre was a super-producer gangsta. But Em's clever lyricism helped create more of an aura of wit around Dre. Even though it's not Dre's wit lol. That's what also annoys me. Whenever anyone writes for Dre, mostly Em, they always bang on about... Well all they bang on about is how relevant Dre is and how he's still around. I mean Dre keeps his status by talking about his status. Stays relevant by just talking about how relevant he is. Innovates by talking about his past innovation lmao.

Not knock all of his great production but his solo debut was 1992. He had his second album in 1999 and Detox to come in 2010. So that's a seven year gap between his first and second and what will now be an eleven year gap from his second to third. That's hardly consistent relevance isit lmao.

Aside from appearing on Em's albums on a routine track which Em writes for him, he doesn't exactly excite hip-hop on a regular basis. He just comes out of the cave every now and then to state how important he is. Totally overrated and most people are blind to this. It's almost like a trick lmao. He just doesn't actually create any new shit for a decade but just pops up and tells everyone how great the stuff he's already done is and how he still matters and people fall for it.

Em's accomplished more than him. What I find funny is people call Dre a better producer than Em but most would agree... Critics and fans that The Eminem Show is his best produced album at least. And... Eminem produced all of it. Bar a track or two. His beats are way more distinctive than Dre's and more memorable, to me anyway. "The Way I Am" - "White America" - "Renegade". He uses strings and pianos and they sound richer and more layered.

But he's had three straight classics, six albums in total. Also, a classic EP (Slim Shady EP). He's produced and constructed a classic D12 album (Devil's Night) and a great second D12 album (D12 World). He also produced two arguably classic Obie Trice albums (Cheers, Second Rounds on Me) as well as being his mentor and 50 Cent's. Not to mention the production on 50's 2nd.

His legacy, consistency, talent and track-record is better than Dre's IMO. It's just this thing again, just because Dre was in N.W.A. and he's been 'in the game' longer. He hasn't actually been doing things as long as he's been around though. He just hasn't quit lmao.

[shadyboymez]

Wow eminembase you put alot into your posts haha. thats a great point how Eminem Show was mainly produced without Dre and is a banger straight through. I still have to give Dre the credit for bringing Eminem into the limelight, as well as producing almost entirely his "comeback" album Relapse. I dont think he would be where he is today without the help of the good doctor.

I do think Em is a great producer, but sometimes I feel his production is a little predictable (no hate), with the strings he likes to use. Though some of his best songs were produced without Dre, I think Eminem is best suited with Dre production at least somewhere on the album.

As to when I first heard or got into Eminem...back in the Napster days (seems like forever ago now), after hearing My Name Is, Forgot About Dre, and Guilty Conscience, I came across the song If I Get Locked Up Tonight. That song really stood out to me, and is still in my top Eminem plays today. There was just something about that song that really turned me on to Eminem as a rapper, and I havent looked back since.

What a great year 1999 was, well two albums anyway (SSLP & Chronic 2001). How great would it be if Relapse 2 and Detox (is it ever coming) came out around the same time.

[EminemBase]

I still have to give Dre the credit for bringing Eminem into the limelight, as well as producing almost entirely his "comeback" album Relapse. I dont think he would be where he is today without the help of the good doctor.

Well Dre didn't really bring Em to the limelight. It's just because Dre was already so respected and he appeared with Em and said he's good so that's what he did. If you're going to credit anyone with discovering and truly helping Em in that sense it should be the Bass Bros. They're the ones who have instrumented his stylistics and assisted his best production.

In terms of Em being where he is... Well, no he probably wouldn't be as famous but I do still think he would of made an impact. Because when you think about it, he made The Slim Shady EP before he even met Dre. That EP already had "Just Don't Give a Fuck", "97 Bonnie and Clyde" and "If I Had" on it.

Not to mention one of Em's most still incredible lyrical songs "Low Down, Dirty". That EP was making a lot of underground noise anyway and people were really taking note of Em given the fact he was tearing people up on stage. And his appearance on The Wake Up Show.

It was actually Jimmy Iovine who asked for Em's tape and then gave it to Dre. This is all I mean when I say Dre gets too much credit for Em. The Bass Bros deserve creative mentorship and Jimmy deserves actual major discovering credit. Dre just hoped on the train lmao.

I think Dre is the one with the predicable production. Relapse was a well produced album but I feel Em's beats are not only more memorable but just better. And especially better suited for him. When Em makes beats he starts from melodies in his head, builds from that and writes to the melody.

I mean if I think of an Eminem beat, it immediately jumps to mind. Because it's usually always a totally brand new melody from his head instead of a sample and loud drums. Like... "Lose Yourself". I mean that... From nothing. Is amazing. And in my opinion Dre doesn't make or hasn't made beats that are anywhere as near as memorable or powerful as that beat or "The Way I Am". Or "No Apologies".

So what you end up with is a beat which complements his vocals. You get his voice 'going with' the beat, going along with, sticking to it. Where as Dre does more or less the same shit on every beat. He either samples something and slams huge drums on it. Or he gets a basic bassline... And slams huge drums on it lmao.

And you always get the massive Westcoast BANG CHUM... BANG CHUM on any Dre beat. And it's annoying with Em raps because he always drowns out Em's voice or has a drum that slams in too loud on Em's key rhymes. Where as take... "Square Dance" or "Soldier". Much better man. The beat complements his rhymes, his voice comes through clearer and you get an actual song construction as apposed to another random banger beat with Em vocals on top.

I mean... Nearly every original Em beat is so distinctive that as soon as the track name is said I can instantly spew out the melody. I don't think any other hip-hop producer does that for me. Especially not Dre though. I mean... If you name a Relapse song... It takes me a minute. And what I have to do is think of Em's flow and then the beat comes to mind slowly. Because Dre's beats aren't distinctive enough, he always kills out melodies with drums.

[EminemBase]

^ please respond to full points. Taking a small line out of text like that evades any purpose. I then go onto validate that statement.

Bass Bros mentored Eminem and Jimmy Iovine discovered him. Eminem also produced most of the album (Dre did three tracks) and wrote everything. He brought himself to the limelight. Dre just helped by putting his face in the picture.

[DƎRDYPK]

Eminem being recognized as ONE of the best...yes
Eminem being the BEST OF ALL TIME... no

[EminemBase]

No I'm not understating it.

It was Dre's already established name that blew Em up. His stamp of approval. That's the truth that's not an understatement. No doubt his name blew Em up more but that's all it was.

Eminem produced the first album himself along with the Bass Bros. And it was Jimmy Iovine who was responsible for bringing Em to the label.

Those are the facts. So in what way is that understating it.

Eminem being recognized as ONE of the best...yes
Eminem being the BEST OF ALL TIME... no

Well that's your opinion. I think yes.