Your Theories On Evolution?

[MC Anonymous]

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trry to figure out why something happpened. It's primitive and I think in as thousand years or so religion will be almost, if not, gone.

Explain to me, how can one figure out something, as if it was a puzzle, if intelligence was not put for it to be solvable? Or, explain to me how come the Earth runs the same as a computer, where everything is solvable by mathematical or scientific equations, if there was no intelligence behind those solvable equations? You ''figure'' things out because there was intelligence put there for it to be ''figured''. Even the human genome is configured in such a way that it is mechanical, and our body is the same way, too. It is an organic computer programmed to do certain things because of the intelligence put into making it. There is also the golden sequence that happens all through out nature, again another intelligence print. How else would every human have different retina signatures and fingerprints to determine who is who, if it wasn't for intelligence behind it?

The number of Atheist are growing fast. Humans created God and we will destroy him too in the end.
This, my friend has been foretold. I am not ignorant to that.

[MC Anonymous]

That's an easy one. 4.5 billion years of evolution,

Wait, you are trying to tell me that every scientific/quantum-physical/mathematical equations can be made in the span of 4.5billion years? Or you are trying to tell me that the function of the brain, all of it's parts, and everything about it can be expressed in 4.5billion years? It would take way more then 4.5billion years, try trillions. The complexity of this planet and it's inhabitants can not be explain in a time span of 4.5billion years.

do you really know how long that is?

Yes.

Now here's a question for you. Explain all of your questions without simply saying because God did it.

I never simply said God did it, I am using scientific terms and said intelligence did it, not God. Reread my paragraph I wrote. No where in that paragraph does it mention the word God, or hinted it, I mentioned intelligence. Something that science can test, repeat and observe. Something that is material rather then immaterial.

[classthe_king]

My beliefs on Evolution are cognitive on the basis that God created Evolution to fit his planet and the ever changing environment around it. For people saying that the Earth can not be made in 6 days, or 6000 years, I believe that too. Yet, what people tend to not realize is that the Latin translation for the word ''Day'' can mean any interval of time. There is no universal translation for that one word. With that being said; how would a supreme intelligent being describe to a peasant (Moses) who's number system didn't have numbers as large as trillions, the actual date that the earth was made? You couldn't tell that peasant, ''It was made 203848483trillion years ago'', because they wouldn't be able to understand it. So, to make it universally understood it was chosen to be 6 days. This is what brings me to my point that evolution can in fact coincide with the Bible.

Evolutionists tend to believe that no divine power should be put with the theory, yet if you really look at science and how it's unfolding... the more we uncover scientific facts and mathematical equations the more scientists are prone to believing in a God. You can also notice the higher levels of creationist scientists emerging because of this.

The issue of morality in human nature, the issue of having a knowledgeable standpoint on what is right or wrong, and the issue of whether or not evolution created these things are always debated with Creationists saying it's not possible, and Evolutionists making up excuses as to why it is possible. Nobody ever thinks to mesh them both together to solve all the debate, nobody ever wants to do that. That is what is sad to me, because of people can come to the realization and maybe try to mesh them both together many conflicts would instantaneously disappear.

anon can explain it better then me but thats what i believe

[MC Anonymous]

First can you fix your post because it looks like I'm saying what you're saying. And I don't want to get that confused. Thank You.

Now to your post, no I don't believe a brain takes 4.5 billion years to mature. It takes less than that, maybe a couple hundred millions of years. Its trial and error. We have the brains we have because of the things we ate while we were evolving, the proteins from meat, our brains grew larger and smarter with each step. While the Neanderthals, who lived at the same time as Homo sapiens, were herbivores. It's a branch of evolution. Hominids that died out before us weren't able to survive, either because they weren't smart enough or they couldn't adapt and that’s why they died out. Eventually making them evolve in to Homo sapiens.

I thought you were on the side of the religious but you seem like you still believe that there was intelligent design not by a God, but a more evolved civilization. Actually, I would believe that quicker than I would believe the "God did it" argument even though I don't believe in intelligent design. I agree with you, we as a species are a wonder; we are spectacular compared to other life on this planet. But the simplest explanation is often the correct one. It just happened. Now let’s figure out how instead of why.

If you still are looking for the link between man and ape check this out.

http://science.howstuffworks.com/evolution/ida-fossil-missing-link.htm

Now to your post, no I don't believe a brain takes 4.5 billion years to mature. It takes less than that, maybe a couple hundred millions of years. 1 Its trial and error. We have the brains we have because of the things we ate while we were evolving, the proteins from meat, our brains grew larger and smarter with each step. While the Neanderthals, who lived at the same time as Homo sapiens, were herbivores. It's a branch of evolution. Hominids that died out before us weren't able to survive, either because they weren't smart enough or they couldn't adapt and that’s why they died out. Eventually making them evolve in to Homo sapiens.
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Ok, going by the bold text for my first point, you say that the brain would take several hundred million years to develop the way it is now. Going by that logic, then humanity must have formed several hundred million years ago, correct? If that is the case, then one must look at the anthropology of humanity, and consider this; The oldest found skulls of the basic anatomy that we have is 160,000 years old. This means that, going by what you said if I interpreted it correctly, that the factual evidence does not back up the claims that you have told me. SOURCE:
http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/06/11_idaltu.shtml
The oldest ever recorded full skeleton of something that resembles a human being is 4.4million years old. SOURCE: http://www.bioedonline.org/news/news.cfm?art=5672
So, judging by your post, and this factual evidence, it seems that you may want to re-evaluate your stance on that point.

I thought you were on the side of the religious but you seem like you still believe that there was intelligent design not by a God, but a more evolved civilization. Actually, I would believe that quicker than I would believe the "God did it" 2 argument even though I don't believe in intelligent design. I agree with you, we as a species are a wonder; we are spectacular compared to other life on this planet. But the simplest explanation is often the correct one. It just happened. Now let’s figure out how instead of why.
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Second bolded point; Let us say that what if God was nothing more then a super advanced intelligent life form who created everything on this planet, would that not make that entity our God? He gave us life. You are an intelligent individual, surely you must have thought about these things, but maybe not into great detail. Each human has a unique, electro-magnetic frequency we emit off of our bodies, using meditation, that energy or signal is projected into one thought, some may like to call it prayer. Hypothetically, one can assume that if Humans can use CELL PHONES, maybe our body's electro-magnetic signature is our ''Cell Phone'', seeing as how our body is made up of cells. Being that the entity created us, he must know each individual signature, and can listen to what we say from that signature. Think about that for awhile bro.

[Elision]

I'm a hardcore atheist, and have been for a very long time now.

I'm a huge fan of Professor Richard Dawkins (of Oxford University) and I have read all of his books (excluding The Greatest Show on Earth)

I find that any logical, reasonable, rational person, who really questions themselves about the whole "God" thing, would eventually come to the conclusion that there either is, or isn't some sort of entity responsible for the universe.

Fair enough, so there either is, or is not a creator. We do not have an answer to that yet, but we hope to at some point in the future.
BUT - Why try to say that, not only there IS a God, but try to put a label on this God. What he/she likes, his/her upbringings were, etc. etc. etc.

I find the whole religion thing quite ridiculous. I mean think about it, it's only our species...

If you were raised by a pack of wolves you wouldn't have a religion. 99% of all religious people KNOW DAMN WELL that they are only part of the religion that they are, because of where they were born, and/or who raised them. They also know (damn well) that if they happened to have been born into any other upbringing, they would be believing in that cultures predisposed beliefs.

Besides, religion (especially Christianity) is just flat out absurd and quite frankly, it is ridiculous... I mean, a talking snake? ...Really guys?



...As for evolution, anybody who doesn't believe that we are here because of natural selection, can seriously go ahead and stop existing.

There is just too much empirical evidence supporting the "theory" (the only reason we still must call it a "theory" is because of the religious nuts who refuse to accept it).
I mean come the fuck on people... The god damn (no pun intended) pope agrees with evolution.

[Elision]

I am very skeptical of why some people believe in this none explainable persona who is suppose to 'look after us' .

It's very simple. People want to feel comfort.

Ever heard the saying "People will believe what they want to believe"?

Well, religion is a prime example. Our own mortality is a scary thought, and anybody who tells you they're okay with death is a liar. Because it's our natural instinct as humans to avoid death by all means necessary.

But, if you were to find out (hell, if I were to find out) that there was some sort of life that continues on after you die -- you would be pretty damn happy.

Now, until I have proper evidence of this, I'm inclined to not believe in any bullshit like that... But a lot of people like to convince themselves that that's the truth.

...It's sad but true. Theists are pussies

[Elision]

I am very skeptical of why some people believe in this none explainable persona who is suppose to 'look after us' .

It's very simple. People want to feel comfort.

Ever heard the saying "People will believe what they want to believe"?

Well, religion is a prime example. Our own mortality is a scary thought, and anybody who tells you they're okay with death is a liar. Because it's our natural instinct as humans to avoid death by all means necessary.

But, if you were to find out (hell, if I were to find out) that there was some sort of life that continues on after you die -- you would be pretty damn happy.

Now, until I have proper evidence of this, I'm inclined to not believe in any bullshit like that... But a lot of people like to convince themselves that that's the truth.

...It's sad but true. Theists are pussies

The reason am so skeptical because it's not God, it's us that does all the work. I don't think there is such thing as God at all, but people chose to praise him or make him as an excuse. In my eyes I get the whole comfort thing, but to a certain point.

There are so many people who say: 'I'll pray for this or that'. The thing is they don't do nothign about it. They expect this whole surreal persona to make everything better. When in reality it you decide, you you drive yourself, it's your motivation and your choice. In my opinion some people just give 'God' 'credit' for nothing.

Like you said, 'Theists are pussies' for relaying/believing on someone unexplainable rather than selves.

Well, it's kinda scary isn't it? Powerful people, who definitely have control over our futures, still have this bizarre belief. I mean, admitting you don't believe any of this bullshit, is instant political suicide. It's fucked up, but that's the world we live in.

And you're right, it is selfish. It's really selfish to be honest.

I mean, to rely on some unknown entity to do all of your dirty work is a really bad trait to have all of your life.

Personally - I stopped believing around the time that I let go of Santa Claus, The Boogeyman, and The Tooth Faerie.

How about you?

[MC Anonymous]

An intelligent creator to this universe is far more reasonable then not having one for many reasons.

1.) At the atomic level of things, it is way to mechanically planned...the genius of the way the atom is created can not be out of sheer chance and probability. It is impossible for something so perfectly designed to be created by chance.

2.) I believe in the Big Bang theory, however what it doesn't explain is, what was here before all that happened? What was before it? Nothing? If nothing was before everything then that means that out of nothing everything was created. You can use the same thing with a creator also, however, nobody can explain how nothingness can create everything.

3.) Can you remember before you were born? Obviously not, and this is what I mean. You can not remember before you were born because your existence did not exist at that point in time. Does that mean that somehow existence was brought into existence by existence itself? That would be illogical to think of things that way because as we all know, nothing can not beget something.

[AliJack]

An intelligent creator to this universe is far more reasonable then not having one for many reasons.

1.) At the atomic level of things, it is way to mechanically planned...the genius of the way the atom is created can not be out of sheer chance and probability. It is impossible for something so perfectly designed to be created by chance.

2.) I believe in the Big Bang theory, however what it doesn't explain is, what was here before all that happened? What was before it? Nothing? If nothing was before everything then that means that out of nothing everything was created. You can use the same thing with a creator also, however, nobody can explain how nothingness can create everything.

3.) Can you remember before you were born? Obviously not, and this is what I mean. You can not remember before you were born because your existence did not exist at that point in time. Does that mean that somehow existence was brought into existence by existence itself? That would be illogical to think of things that way because as we all know, nothing can not beget something.

If there wasn't a God you just forced nature to make one.

[Elision]

An intelligent creator to this universe is far more reasonable then not having one for many reasons.

1.) At the atomic level of things, it is way to mechanically planned...the genius of the way the atom is created can not be out of sheer chance and probability. It is impossible for something so perfectly designed to be created by chance.

2.) I believe in the Big Bang theory, however what it doesn't explain is, what was here before all that happened? What was before it? Nothing? If nothing was before everything then that means that out of nothing everything was created. You can use the same thing with a creator also, however, nobody can explain how nothingness can create everything.

3.) Can you remember before you were born? Obviously not, and this is what I mean. You can not remember before you were born because your existence did not exist at that point in time. Does that mean that somehow existence was brought into existence by existence itself? That would be illogical to think of things that way because as we all know, nothing can not beget something.

Going to go through 1-by-1 here.

1.) At the atomic level of things, it is way to mechanically planned...the genius of the way the atom is created can not be out of sheer chance and probability. It is impossible for something so perfectly designed to be created by chance.

This is ignorance by definition. To say that something is "way too" anything, is purely the human factor. It is relative. Your definition of "simple" is just that; yours.
You're saying that it's perfectly designed. How can you prove this? What do you have to relate it to? As you know, there is no white without black, no up without down, left without right, etc. So how can you say that it is impossible for something to be so perfect?

2.) I believe in the Big Bang theory, however what it doesn't explain is, what was here before all that happened? What was before it? Nothing? If nothing was before everything then that means that out of nothing everything was created. You can use the same thing with a creator also, however, nobody can explain how nothingness can create everything.

Nothing explains what was here before the universe. But saying there was some sort of creator, doesn't do anything but open up a door to even more questions. Like who created the creator? And who created the creator OF the final creator? and so on and so fourth.

3.) Can you remember before you were born? Obviously not, and this is what I mean. You can not remember before you were born because your existence did not exist at that point in time. Does that mean that somehow existence was brought into existence by existence itself? That would be illogical to think of things that way because as we all know, nothing can not beget something.

Of course existence was brought into existence by just that, something existing to create it. But to say that original existence was a single entity that had the intention/s of creating where we are now, is something nobody has access to the facts to back up. And until then, the most logical thing to do is be agnostic about the question/theory.

[EminemBase]

Well firstly, on Evolution. There are no 'theories' I mean... It's a fact.

Anybody who denies Evolution either hasn't looked at the evidence or doesn't understand the evidence. It's like asking me do I believe in gravity. It's not a matter of opinion, it's been proven beyond doubt. I mean, there's differences of opinion on how it happened. In terms of specifics with gene mutations and what not. But there's no dispute that it did happen.

Dawkins has actually been on a rally to stop Scientists using the term "theory". Because it's confusing to the public's perception. Because they use the word theory with Evolution but they use it in a Scientific sense. People take theory to mean (in most cases) - An idea that has yet to be fully proven.

Where as in Science, with something like Evolution they use that because there's alternate views at work on some specifics as mentioned. But really, it's the fact of Evolution.

Only people who deny it in numbers are creationists of course. Because they're very weak-minded and simply stick their fingers in their ears, because Evolution fundamentally disproves how they want things to have happened. So they just deny plain fact. They're deluded.

On you saying you think there was a higher power. Well, this isn't my view. There is no reason to believe in any god. Throughout history people have created gods only to discard them at later dates when they obviously become too ridiculous to take seriously.

Nobody (I hope) believes in Thor or Zues. Yet many still believe in the god of The Bible or Allah. And the reason is simple, they want to bypass death. And this is true whether they admit it or not. Nobody believes in Santa Claus. Because there's no free prize at the end of it. But people continue to delude and fool themselves into pretending they accept or consider the totally absurd idea of god simply because they want to go to paradise.

It's not just that of course. Many also do because... As humans, we constantly feel like we need clarification. We always want complete answers on things and some people would rather an absurd theory as to no theory at all. I personally don't, I just care about what's true and likely. And that certainly is not god. Any god. We know how life went from near nothing to us. So there's no need to induce a god into that. We've already proven that nature assists life in going from simple to complex.

So I don't see how the Universe is any different. I think we will eventually get very close as to how everything began. But I don't think we will ever find answers that will satisfy humanity completely.

Because... The 'why' question, in terms of the Universe. Doesn't really make sense. WE just happen to be here and it's only because we can contemplate the 'why' that it matters, to us. But ultimately, the 'why' question isn't applicable to the Universe. It doesn't really make any sense to ask why the Universe is here. It just is and... The real physics of it all are harder than we can grasp and unfortunately... With our concepts of poetry and philosophy and... Answers... I just don't think we'll ever provide ourselves with an answer to satisfy our need for closure. Not with the Universe.

But there certainly was no supernatural creator behind any of it. Not in my mind anyway. You have to then explain the creator anyway. And it's no good to just say 'he / she / it' was always just there'. That's a cop-out. Because why then couldn't the Universe always 'just of been there'. All it does is kick the can back. It creates an infinite regression and doesn't help or solve anything.

Another big reason many believe in god apart from wanting to bypass death, meet up with lost relatives and needing closure on where we came from... Is wanting a big brother. Some people like the idea, the psychological comfort of having a 'watching' big brother in troubled times. It's no coincidence that every nut with a cardboard sign you see yelling about Jesus is usually either an ex crack-head or ex-convict.

I mean personally, I'm very glad god isn't true. The themes of religious books are very sick. The Bible for example endorses and is the source of much slavery and violence. Religion is also one of the biggest causers of suffering, death and war in history. It's evil by nature and every religious book endorses the most unthinkable thinks. That's why The Bible for example, has been re-written about 500 times throughout history. And a lot lost in translation. You can bet in its original format it's even more brutal.

The reason The Bible is the source of all this nonsense though is because it was written by lowly humans. People think this is the work of an all-loving all-knowing god haha. I mean, if The Bible mentioned things that they simply could of had no idea about such as electricity then it'd be worthy of its claim of a holy book. But in reality, nothing in it is revelatory or anything of the sorts. It's exactly as you'd expect if written by Pagan maniacs of that time. Full of violence, silly superstitions and mythology. Human work. Not godly work.

But like I was saying, I'm very glad its not true. I in no way would wish there was a celestial dictator that was constantly watching me. 24/7. Think of that. A celestial dictator that watches you and judges you from the time you're born to the time you die. And then all of eternity.

You can't even fucking die in peace. That's when it all begins, forever. And this god literally punishes you just for thinking things. Thought crime. You're also born into uncontrollable sin because he chose to have his only son... Which was also himself, killed for sin you had no hand in. You have to constantly be guilty of this, apologize for it and feel ashamed of nearly every thought that naturally enters your brain.

This is stuff of sick twisted minds. And I'm sorry but anybody who wants this to be true is sick too.

[Nimbus_9]

I'm actually glad I made this thread

[EminemBase]

I say, fuck you, to all those who just completely disregard the fact that God may exist. Whether He exists or not, YOU don't know and YOU will NEVER know. The same goes for us believers, but at least we don't go around calling atheists fucking retards like you pricks do to us. I bet you faggots go on with your daily life saying shit like "Jesus Christ" or "God damn it" during times of frustrations. Suck a dick, suck all our dicks.

Quit launching attacks. Actually, you can keep doing it. It's funny seeing retards get all worked up and going to extreme lengths to shut down the faith of millions and millions of people. Aha, I guess some of us really did derive from primates.

Best part of it all, you can never prove there is no God

Firstly you fucking moron, it's the idiots preaching Bronze-age myths are the arrogant ones. You make such a bold, amazing claim yet say you need no proof and don't even need to prove it.

The reason atheists such as Dawkins and Hitchens are launching 'attacks' lately is because religious pricks have been creating misery for years. Non-stop wars, enslavements, childhood indoctrinations, mental fucking abuse of children. And not only this but you ask for special privileges whilst you do it.

Quit launching attacks? Lmfao, what an appropriate phrase but not aimed at atheists, at you cunts. How about you stop launching attacks. If it weren't for maniac religious fuck-heads in the Middle-east then a million troops wouldn't be int he ground not to mention thousands of their own citizens.

SECONDLY - This absolutely, totally and utterly RIDICULOUS 'argument' of "you can't DISPROVE god" is complete fucking stupidity and anybody who agrees with it or thinks it's valid is an idiot. There's MILLIONS of things we can't DISPROVE that doesn't mean the percentage of likelyhood is automatically 50 fucking 50 or that they're at all likely.

We can't DISPROVE fairies, invisible men, flying pigs, you name it. Would you say those things are likely though? And would you respect somebody who believed in fairies and was trying to teach this to your children as fact?. The only reason you can't 'disprove' these things, along with god is because they're all illogical. They don't work. You can't test for something that makes no sense in real World terms that's why you can't dis-fucking-prove it. That doesn't mean it's likely.

If we were forced to draw up a probability table of how likely god is then god would come in at less than point 1 of 1 percent. You can't say ANYTHING has a zero chance of existence but we're all a-fairiests in practice. Nobody would say "well, I don't believe in fairies but if they want to teach it in schools, I think that's fair since you can't prove they DON'T exist". It's the lamest, most nonsensical, desperate argument ever proposed. It's a five year old's argument.

Lets see how well the argument works in practice...

Mark: Hey Dave, I can fly!

Dave: Really? Show me.

Mark: No no. I can't show you. You will never see me fly and I have no proof that I can but... I can.

Dave: Well I don't believe you then. It's impossible.

Mark: Yes I know it's impossible. But you can't prove that I CAN'T fly.

Dave: You're right. It's 50/50 then.

SEE, it's fucking ridiculous.

YOU are the ones claiming there IS a god, therefore it's YOU who must prove he / she / it EXISTS. It's not up for the rest of us to prove you wrong you simpleton. If you want to believe in rubbish, fine, keep it to yourself. But you're the ones who have been ramming it down everyone else's throat for centuries, the blood is on your hands and the ball has always been in your court. But now everyone else is getting sick of it. You don't deserve a say in any politics and religion itself is a dangerous, absurd pile of crap that shouldn't veer its ugly head in any part of modern society.

You're the ones who've arrogantly made unprovable claims for thousands of years and played the victim if anyone dare point out how ridiculous they are. You say 'attacks' well... Lets see. Richard Dawkins, supposedly the most 'militant' atheist - He wrote A BOOK and said if you want to read it do, if not, don't. That's hardly fucking equatable to 'attack' now isit.

Where as Christians want their distorted view of reality to be taught to children as fact, or even likely in schools. Then you have muslim extremists who tell their own people, if you don't believe in the q'ran you must die and anybody who questions our made up bronze-age crap should die too.

Religion is evil poison and the rational people are fed up with you getting sympathy for the evil acts it entails. So we're stomping it out. Okay dick head. So you suck a cock you brainless buffoon.

[EminemBase]

I agree with you 100% but you can't make a person who believes in God not believe in God lol, it's probably as impossible as having a being in the sky who created the whole universe. You have strong points but I'm biased. But the question really is a pointless one, is there a God? Who knows really? A point goes to the christians and others on this one because logic has to be thrown out. It's all beliefs when you come down to it. Religion is wrong IMO but honestly even though I personally don't believe in a God, I have no problem with God, Gods, or shit people need to believe in to get through the day and if it makes you a better person you should believe it. I believe I'm going somewhere with my music career but that's all it is, like everything else, it's just a belief.

It's not true that you can't turn a believer into a rational person.

Dawkins has letters all the time from people who read his book and realized from it that there is no god. The percentage of people who 'say' they believe in god in America has also been on a steady decline for years.

I agree that no average person could probably 'unconvince' somebody who has been indoctrinated from childhood till now. As that's a seriously absorbed, brainwashed mind. But there are people who are on the fence or even light believers. They can be changed.

It's less about 'unconvincing' people anyway and more about taking down this wall of freedom religion has. There's no reason it should be void of all criticism no more than politics, music, whatever. That's why Dawkins etc. Are also criticizing it more, they're sick of it getting a free pass.

You also see priests etc. on near every debate show to do with abortion or even common politics. They have no right to be there, people treat them like they're doctors. I'm not saying you should disrespect them, my point is - All they do is preach babble from a book of nonsense, their opinion counts probably less than the man on the street so there's no reason to give them extra-say. Makes no sense.

Also. I'm from Britain so it's nowhere near as bad but it's still backwards I mean... Here, we're mostly atheists. It's not something to hide here, it's common and being a strong believer is actually probably more embarressing. It's the same in Europe too. But what's backwards is... Our Church is the head of the state, headed by the Queen. Not only do we not need a fucking monarch with a useless bunch of toffs who do fuck all getting respect for nothing but we should separate religion from politics legally.

Where as in America, your constitution was built on this main principal. You have deluded nuts constantly calling America a 'Christian Nation' with this silly mantre 'One nation under god' when these people don't know the history of their own country. America was built on securalism. America is a SECULAR nation and it's LAW to keep religion and politics separate.

Yet despite this, you see every political candidate wax ecstatic about god and 'Christian values' which are not in fact Christian but hijacked philosophy and so on which religions always try to say are theirs. The reason for this is because announcing you're an atheist in US politics is political suicide. There's such automatic predujice against any 'non-believer' in your country that they hide, literally. They just say they believe as to not be outkast or in the case of politics, so they can be elected.

If you look at the statistics, it's almost certain that a large number of the politicans currently in office are lying about their faith as the percentage of believers within that range of people doesn't add up. There is also good reason to think Obama is an atheist, he even wrote in one of his books that "if you wanna be the President, you better have a church to go to" or something of that nature. This isn't far from a flat out see-through hint lmao.

So the reason I do attack religion fellow atheist and do support people like Hitchens on a rampage to stomp it out is not only for the hundreds of years of slaughter and misery it's created but also for it's uneeded, unlawful and horrible influence in our socities. Humanity would be a better place with out it. It's been proven that all secular socities function better, religion is an ugly ugly thing.

If an adult chooses they want to believe in it, fine. But it's not right that they get it taught in schools to innocent Children who are being deprived of reality. Who will then grow up brainwashed and do the same to their kids. This is why it persists, it's a virus.

I'm also sick of the exageratted respect religion gets not to mention a free-pass to do anything. There was a case, I think even in America where a man was legally permitted to beat his wife because it said it in his holy book, which was in this case - I believe, the q'uran. This is utter madness. Religion gets to bypass the law and has this pure ring of insanity where you can do anything as long as it's 'your religion'.

Also you say who knows really. Well you're only saying that I think because you buy into this respect religion deserves and because it's been around so long etc. If I told you I believe Donkeys can speak English. Would you just say "Well in my OPINION they can't and who knows really". I would hope not lol. Surely you would say "Are you insane? Of course Donkeys can't speak English, they don't have close to our level of intelligence or consciousness nevermind being able to dictate a language".

Just because you can make a claim which you can't technically disprove doesn't mean we don't know or that the claim is always likely or 50/50 or anything like that. We can confidently say there is no god as confidently as we can say Donkeys don't speak English. So if people want to believe in god fine but they can't teach it to kids as even a possible explanation of how we got here, it should be totally left out of all academia, it should have no special rights above any law, no extra-say in things, no over-the-top, hyper-respect and no power in any sense of the word.

[BILI]

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