shadyboymez wrote:eminembase needs to stop the hating on Dre. He happens to be the mentor of Eminem, so your base wouldnt exist if it werent for Dr. Dre. Sure eminem would still be famous if he didnt have Dre, but who knows what could have happened really. Just be happy for the way it is, and dont try to take any of Dre's credit away.
Excuse me but I have as much right to say Dre is a hack as you do to say he's supreme. And I bask in that right so don't dare tell me what I can and cannot say about anybody. I'm not so arrogant as to do so to you, so don't do it to me.
Sure, who knows what would of happened, I doubt Em would be as big globally simply because Dre's stamp of approval was huge. But stop acting as if Dre moulded Em. The guys who deserve the real credit are the Bass Bros. Not only have they produced more tracks for Eminem, they're his true mentors.
They're the ones who took him under their wing, helped him find his voice and showed him the boards. They produced (along with Em) nearly all The Slim Shady LP and a lot of The Marshall Mathers LP. And Em produced all of The Eminem Show bar a few tracks. Most of Eminem's most memorable, original or important beats have been crafted by him and the Bass Bros. Not Dre. Dre gets way too much credit.
I'm not attempting to detract from Dre's credit at all, I simply just am not in the business of emphasizing it since the credit he does get, is ridiculously oversized. He's done two solo albums in eighteen years, a third on the way, often gets full production credits for co-producing, gets credited as Em's main producer when the Bass Bros have produced more for Eminem, as well as himself. The only thing amazing about Dre's beats is the loud, clear nature of them. But they're bland, repetitive and unmemorable.
"The Way I Am" shits over any Dre beat in every direction. No samples, original melody, complements Em's vocals instead of drowning them. It's atmospheric, moody, adds effect to the song.
Dre also owes Em as much as he owes Dre. People keep banging on about Dre blowing Em up - Em is almost single-handidly responsible for making Dre relevant again and keeping him relevant. "Forgot About Dre" basically created a total Dre re-emergence in rap, obviously The Chronic 2001 was Dre's work but Em's image complemented Dre's and if it weren't for Dre's pop-ups on numerous Em-written-Em-made album tracks from then till now, he'd be largely forgotten by mainstream culture.