Mosh in R2

[whtcrack]

But Eminem is a rapper, a historically black art form. If he talks shit about Obama, people are gonna say he's racist.

Lmao what.

It's not racist to talk about somebody lmfao. Even if it were detrimental which it won't be anyway as he happens to support Obama...

But even if he said "OBAMA IS A CUNT", that's not racist. Are you saying you too would think it's racist to talk about Obama or just saying idiots would? Because if idiots would... Then they would. You can't go around altering art for idiots. We wouldn't of gotten this far.

Also what does Obama have to do with hip-hop lmao. This is this other... Positive discrimination, I have to say most prominent in America, thank goodness I'm British. As if Obama is not only a spokesmen for all black people but for black originated art-forms too...

Also, I'm sick of hearing it's a black art-form... We know. I'm not having a go at you by the way, just the people who constantly feel the need to remind us.

Imagine if white people did that with everything. Eminem doesn't need to apologize for doing hip-hop, neither does he need to be eternally greatful that they let him do it haha. That idea is like saying Jimmy Hendrix could of been taken as racist for talking about Lyndon B. Johnson in the 60's, especially given that rock is essentially WHITE! OH NO.

It's not racist to talk about race. It's not racist to even use racial slurrs. They only become racist in context and racism is irrational hatred and discrimination of a race, purely for the race. It's not racist to hate a black person, for personal reasons, or a white person and yaddaaa yaaaada.

This crazy irrational nonsense should stop.

I dont think its racist, but it would be detrimental to his black fan base to talk shit about Obama.

[EminemBase]

^ Well then that just shows the racism of those black fans.

Actually, the Obama election showed the huge population of racist blacks who people just accepted because it's the 1st black president.

I say racist because I saw black people on TV who were proudly proclaiming that they came out and voted for Obama just BECAUSE he's black and they want a black president.

This is racism. Doesn't matter one bit if it's the 1st black president or it's the possibility of a 'historic event'. Voting for somebody because of the colour of their skin = racism.

Imagine it reversed, if they saw white people on TV like:
"YEAH, John McAin whoo, another white president is what we need! White president yeah!"

I'm sure that would go down well.

So glad I don't live in America. Utter lunacy that is. Even though Obama should of won the election. He happened to be the better candidate.

But thank fuck he didn't happen to be a war-hungry moron ey because these racist blacks would of voted him in anyway. Because they wanted to see the 1st black president. Insanity.

[whtcrack]

^ Well then that just shows the racism of those black fans.

Actually, the Obama election showed the huge population of racist blacks who people just accepted because it's the 1st black president.

I say racist because I saw black people on TV who were proudly proclaiming that they came out and voted for Obama just BECAUSE he's black and they want a black president.

This is racism. Doesn't matter one bit if it's the 1st black president or it's the possibility of a 'historic event'. Voting for somebody because of the colour of their skin = racism.

Imagine it reversed, if they saw white people on TV like:
"YEAH, John McAin whoo, another white president is what we need! White president yeah!"

I'm sure that would go down well.

I think your being a little too defensive.. I mean Obama is a huge icon and symbol to black people and he should be.. He stands for so much to them and for some rapper to start talking shit about him then they wouldn't take kindly to that..

So glad I don't live in America. Utter lunacy that is. Even though Obama should of won the election. He happened to be the better candidate.

But thank fuck he didn't happen to be a war-hungry moron ey because these racist blacks would of voted him in anyway. Because they wanted to see the 1st black president. Insanity.

[EminemBase]

I think your being a little too defensive.. I mean Obama is a huge icon and symbol to black people and he should be.. He stands for so much to them and for some rapper to start talking shit about him then they wouldn't take kindly to that..

I'm not being defensive, I'm not making this up, I'm speaking from fact.

I saw and heard, myself, countless black Americans proudly proclaim live on TV that they ONLY voted for Obama because he is black. They didn't happen to know any of his policies or anything of the sort. For all they know he could of been harmful to the country.

Just because he shares their skin colour you think they're justified in voting for him, because of that reason? If you do, you support racism. Because that is racist. Voting for somebody because of that.

Obama doesn't just incite hope for 'black people' either. He's not the ruler of a black nation. The historic event was the fact nobody with black skin had ever run the country before, whooo, okay, now lets get to the politics. He's a very reasonable, rational, sensible man.

That's why he's a great leader. Not because he has black skin. And he incites hope for America, or for people Worldwide which support him. Stop drawing this race line as if he's owned and soley for the purpose of black Americans lmao.

[whtcrack]

I think your being a little too defensive.. I mean Obama is a huge icon and symbol to black people and he should be.. He stands for so much to them and for some rapper to start talking shit about him then they wouldn't take kindly to that..

I'm not being defensive, I'm not making this up, I'm speaking from fact.

I saw and heard, myself, countless black Americans proudly proclaim live on TV that they ONLY voted for Obama because he is black. They didn't happen to know any of his policies or anything of the sort. For all they know he could of been harmful to the country.

Just because he shares their skin colour you think they're justified in voting for him, because of that reason? If you do, you support racism. Because that is racist. Voting for somebody because of that.

Obama doesn't just incite hope for 'black people' either. He's not the ruler of a black nation. The historic event was the fact nobody with black skin had ever run the country before, whooo, okay, now lets get to the politics. He's a very reasonable, rational, sensible man.

That's why he's a great leader. Not because he has black skin. And he incites hope for America, or for people Worldwide which support him. Stop drawing this race line as if he's owned and soley for the purpose of black Americans lmao.

thats your view... To them its different and I wasn't denying the fact that some people voted for him cuz of his race.. Everybody knows that and it is a historic event for them and they are proud of him and would defend him at all costs... its just the way it is

[GiuseppeMathers]

I think your being a little too defensive.. I mean Obama is a huge icon and symbol to black people and he should be.. He stands for so much to them and for some rapper to start talking shit about him then they wouldn't take kindly to that..

I'm not being defensive, I'm not making this up, I'm speaking from fact.

I saw and heard, myself, countless black Americans proudly proclaim live on TV that they ONLY voted for Obama because he is black. They didn't happen to know any of his policies or anything of the sort. For all they know he could of been harmful to the country.

Just because he shares their skin colour you think they're justified in voting for him, because of that reason? If you do, you support racism. Because that is racist. Voting for somebody because of that.

Obama doesn't just incite hope for 'black people' either. He's not the ruler of a black nation. The historic event was the fact nobody with black skin had ever run the country before, whooo, okay, now lets get to the politics. He's a very reasonable, rational, sensible man.

That's why he's a great leader. Not because he has black skin. And he incites hope for America, or for people Worldwide which support him. Stop drawing this race line as if he's owned and soley for the purpose of black Americans lmao.

man all your posts are romances
propz

[EminemBase]

thats your view... To them its different and I wasn't denying the fact that some people voted for him cuz of his race.. Everybody knows that and it is a historic event for them and they are proud of him and would defend him at all costs... its just the way it is

Well that's silly. That's irrational love for a leader based on race. Not just racism but near-wanting of totalitarianism. To have a leader you defend at all costs for an irrational reason.

I'm Welsh and there just so happen hasn't happened to of been a Welsh leader in Britain yet. But if one ran, who I disagreed with (I don't follow politics anyway though), I wouldn't just go "well he is an idiot but... 1st Welsh leader, lets vote for him". That's fucking madness.

But okay. We can leave it there. I can see this going into a never-ending race / political debate.

man all your posts are romances
propz

Thanks

[whtcrack]

thats your view... To them its different and I wasn't denying the fact that some people voted for him cuz of his race.. Everybody knows that and it is a historic event for them and they are proud of him and would defend him at all costs... its just the way it is

Well that's silly. That's irrational love for a leader based on race. Not just racism but near-wanting of totalitarianism. To have a leader you defend at all costs for an irrational reason.

I'm Welsh and there just so happen hasn't happened to of been a Welsh leader in Britain yet. But if one ran, who I disagreed with (I don't follow politics anyway though), I wouldn't just go "well he is an idiot but... 1st Welsh leader, lets vote for him". That's fucking madness.

But okay. We can leave it there. I can see this going into a never-ending race / political debate.

man all your posts are romances
propz

LOL i am not disagreeing with your points... I am just saying that the way you want it to be is not what it is... I agree with most of what your saying but the fact is that they do look at him in that way

[EminemBase]

LOL i am not disagreeing with your points... I am just saying that the way you want it to be is not what it is... I agree with most of what your saying but the fact is that they do look at him in that way

Well we're not in disagreement then lol.

I realize they look at him that way, that's why I disagreed with it and called it lunacy lmao.

[Evan C.]

You people are ridiculous...Mosh is fucking AWFUL. Heres why:

1. Wow, at the time that was released, Eminem was only 349487587589575857587th person to come out and attack Bush publicly. That's the cutting edge Eminem we all know and love! /sarcasm

2. He doesn't say anything in the song most High School government students hadn't been saying already. "No more blood for oil!"

3. The lyrics sucked, and his flow was just awkward. This is what Eminem was talking about in recent interviews when he said the drugs made everything about him "slow".

The whole song is an embarrassing mess.

[Cube23]

You people are ridiculous...Mosh is fucking AWFUL. Heres why:

1. Wow, at the time that was released, Eminem was only 349487587589575857587th person to come out and attack Bush publicly. That's the cutting edge Eminem we all know and love! /sarcasm

2. He doesn't say anything in the song most High School government students hadn't been saying already. "No more blood for oil!"

3. The lyrics sucked, and his flow was just awkward. This is what Eminem was talking about in recent interviews when he said the drugs made everything about him "slow".

The whole song is an embarrassing mess.

I kind of have to agree with this. It's not his worst song, but it's pretty bad. Terrible hook, simple lyrics, bad flow like you said.. Only thing that was good was the beat.

[EminemBase]

You people are ridiculous...Mosh is fucking AWFUL. Heres why:

1. Wow, at the time that was released, Eminem was only 349487587589575857587th person to come out and attack Bush publicly. That's the cutting edge Eminem we all know and love! /sarcasm

2. He doesn't say anything in the song most High School government students hadn't been saying already. "No more blood for oil!"

3. The lyrics sucked, and his flow was just awkward. This is what Eminem was talking about in recent interviews when he said the drugs made everything about him "slow".

The whole song is an embarrassing mess.

"Mosh" is not fucking awful at all.

1. It doesn't matter how cliche' the attack is as long as the attack is still valid, relevant and good (musically)

2. The simplistic nature of his lyricism was to get his points across more clearly but he was still articulate and condensed an awful lot of politics into two verses.

3. Lyricism in it was great.

"Look in his eyes, it's all lies, the stars and stripes have been swiped, washed out and wiped, and replaced with his own face - Mosh now or die"

As he says:

"Let me simplify the rhyme just to amplify the noise".

And his flow isn't awkward, it's crafted and rhythmic. It's purposely slow and marching, it's a beautifully constructed song in every sense.

[Evan C.]

"Mosh" is not fucking awful at all.

1. It doesn't matter how cliche' the attack is as long as the attack is still valid, relevant and good (musically)

LMAO, it doesn't matter how cliche something is? The very fact that the song was cliche automatically makes it irrelevant and not good. No one even really gave a shit about the song because it was drowned out by the thousands of other anti-Bush articles/talk show segments/songs/blogs that were around at the time. Eminem rushed the song out before the election and Bush still won handily (which made the song even more facepalm-worthy.)

2. The simplistic nature of his lyricism was to get his points across more clearly but he was still articulate and condensed an awful lot of politics into two verses.

This is another idiotic notion I've heard spewed on this message board, that putting in multis somehow makes the point of a song less clear. Was the message in Rock Bottom hard to understand? Lose Yourself? The rap verse in Hailie's Song? How about Deja Vu?

Putting well-crafted rhymes together while simultaneously expressing clear, concise thoughts is what made/makes Eminem great. When he stops doing the former it makes him no better than any of the other thousands of people who make corny, cliche "serioussss songs".

3. Lyricism in it was great.

"Look in his eyes, it's all lies, the stars and stripes have been swiped, washed out and wiped, and replaced with his own face - Mosh now or die"

What is great about that? Ooh, he accuses Bush of being a liar and a dictator. Again, shit that had been said a millon times over by the time the song was released. And I'm sure those points had been hit in more amusing ways than Eminem managed to do with Mosh.

A

s he says:

"Let me simplify the rhyme just to amplify the noise".

Yeah, that's his way of saying he can't think of any interesting way to say what he's trying to say so he's just going to yell mono-syllabic rhymes at us in a shot voice.

And his flow isn't awkward, it's crafted and rhythmic. It's purposely slow and marching, it's a beautifully constructed song in every sense.

Please...Sing For The Moment is a beautifully crafted song, Mosh is just a failed attempt. Notice how much worse it is than White America, even. White America, while probably not even in my top 30 Eminem songs, is a clear-minded Eminem knowing exactly what he can say. It's not too political, he doesn't come out and take a side when he's not qualified to speak on it...he criticizes the whole system from his perspective. Oh yeah, and on White America he can actually string some syllables together.

[Emadyville]

I would hope for a white america type track more than mosh based on lyrics/rhymes/overall content, but a song with the concept of mosh is what I'd prefer, hope that made sense

[pHiLLip fARkLe]

we as americans bombs on mosh.