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Re: Could Em Keep Up With Slaughterhouse ?

Postby mcZu » Jan 19th, '10, 23:35

Nollie wrote:
,-,'-{Bar}-',-, wrote:im talking about eminem on top of his lyrical game and imo hes back there.



I disagree. Lyrically, Eminem is better than ever right now - and he shows no signs of stopping. :)

I have no doubt that Em would rip shit apart on a slaughterhouse track.

Keep in mind he tends to go that much harder on tracks that he's featured on.

He's better than ever now 'cause eight outta ten times he rhymes for the sake for rhyming? Having multies does not equal to being lyrical. It's just a part of it.. And his wordplay isn't what it used to be.
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Re: Could Em Keep Up With Slaughterhouse ?

Postby KieranLewisEM » Jan 19th, '10, 23:44

Question Is Can Slaughterhouse Keep Up With Em ? ;)
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Re: Could Em Keep Up With Slaughterhouse ?

Postby EminemBase » Jan 19th, '10, 23:54

mcZu wrote:
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DerdyPK wrote:Slaughterhouse would shit on Slim :coffee:


I seriously doubt that.

I'd say Royce is the best in SH and prime-Royce held his own with Em but present-Royce doesn't beat or stack up against present-Em.

So if the best of SH can't beat him, I fail to see how the others will. Em would outshine them all.

Royce is not the best in SH, Joe Budden and Crooked I are atleast on the same level lyrically, if not even better. Royce's wordplay is kinda corny some times, his flow makes up for it though. Crooked I is all about multies and internal rhyming with some hard hitting punches once in a while and above average wordplay. Joe Budden's punchlines and wordplay are by far the best in the group. IMO, none of Eminem's punchlines come close to Budden's punchlines.


I totally disagree. Especially about Em's punchlines not being close to Budden's.

I hope you just mean of late as that's the Em I've been missing. He's being too literal, I'm missing the metaphors and classic punchlines. But it's coming back. And irony is always there.

But if you mean period I think that's totally nuts if you think Budden's best even touch the sides of EM's best.
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Re: Could Em Keep Up With Slaughterhouse ?

Postby mcZu » Jan 19th, '10, 23:58

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mcZu wrote:Royce is not the best in SH, Joe Budden and Crooked I are atleast on the same level lyrically, if not even better. Royce's wordplay is kinda corny some times, his flow makes up for it though. Crooked I is all about multies and internal rhyming with some hard hitting punches once in a while and above average wordplay. Joe Budden's punchlines and wordplay are by far the best in the group. IMO, none of Eminem's punchlines come close to Budden's punchlines.


I totally disagree. Especially about Em's punchlines not being close to Budden's.

I hope you just mean of late as that's the Em I've been missing. He's being too literal, I'm missing the metaphors and classic punchlines. But it's coming back. And irony is always there.

But if you mean period I think that's totally nuts if you think Budden's best even touch the sides of EM's best.

That's the problem, Em's not on his best right now. I know his flow and rhyme schemes have improved, but he's lacking the metaphors, punchlines and overal wordplay.
So, right now, in terms of metaphors, punclines and wordplay. SH > Em, in terms of flows, I gotta give it to Em.
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Re: Could Em Keep Up With Slaughterhouse ?

Postby EminemBase » Jan 20th, '10, 00:10

mcZu wrote:
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mcZu wrote:Royce is not the best in SH, Joe Budden and Crooked I are atleast on the same level lyrically, if not even better. Royce's wordplay is kinda corny some times, his flow makes up for it though. Crooked I is all about multies and internal rhyming with some hard hitting punches once in a while and above average wordplay. Joe Budden's punchlines and wordplay are by far the best in the group. IMO, none of Eminem's punchlines come close to Budden's punchlines.


I totally disagree. Especially about Em's punchlines not being close to Budden's.

I hope you just mean of late as that's the Em I've been missing. He's being too literal, I'm missing the metaphors and classic punchlines. But it's coming back. And irony is always there.

But if you mean period I think that's totally nuts if you think Budden's best even touch the sides of EM's best.

That's the problem, Em's not on his best right now. I know his flow and rhyme schemes have improved, but he's lacking the metaphors, punchlines and overal wordplay.
So, right now, in terms of metaphors, punclines and wordplay. SH > Em, in terms of flows, I gotta give it to Em.


Well yeah he's missing metaphors but he's been so literal... He must of been purposely avoiding them.

As in freestyles, he's coming out with much more old-style punchlines.

I think he's purposely being very literal and just seeing how descriptive he can be, to the limit. Like on "Buffalo Bill". So I don't think that he's lost it, he just isn't using it. He's trying to sound fresh.

So i wouldn't say he's not at his best because of that, it's just a new Em. He also didn't use much metaphors on The Eminem Show. Was very serious, sarcastic and stern.

But from what Mr. Porter said, seems that Em will be back for R2. Metaphors etc. That's the Em I want back anyway. That's the Em I'm missing. I'm not looking to be shocked as nothing offends me, I just want some good old fashioned, genius Em punchlines.

But on like "Drop the Bomb on Em'" he was back to battle-lyrics. Some pretty good ones too.

"Shady fucking Aftermath boi the ship doesn't sink, it just floats in the fucking water till we fill up the tank"

That's a beautiful little, simplistic cocky metaphor right there. Not strictly a metphor but metaphorical language. Plus, even average Em metaphors sound better than any of their's or anybody's to me just because his flow / energy is always 10 fold their's, so it just souuunds better lol.

His flow is always so unebelievably crafted, like he's glued to the beat, he also invents a new melodic flow and creates a rhythm that wasn't there. Then his energy is just so refreshing, it's like Redman on crack, so everything just sounds so cool lmao.
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Re: Could Em Keep Up With Slaughterhouse ?

Postby slimsoxshady » Jan 20th, '10, 00:12

We'll find out when Relapse 2 leaks
But I'd bet my money on Joe Budden having the best verse on that...he's been putting out some amazing tracks over the past couple months...right around the time this track was recorded
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Re: Could Em Keep Up With Slaughterhouse ?

Postby EminemBase » Jan 20th, '10, 00:15

slimsoxshady wrote:We'll find out when Relapse 2 leaks
But I'd bet my money on Joe Budden having the best verse on that...he's been putting out some amazing tracks over the past couple months...right around the time this track was recorded


Really lmao? With the lyrical space Em is in right now. And the fact he's spent this long perfecting it, seems more focused than ever and is determined to make songs you can play 100, 1,000 times.

You think Joe Budden will have a better verse? I say no chance.
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Re: Could Em Keep Up With Slaughterhouse ?

Postby Emadyville » Jan 20th, '10, 00:16

mcZu wrote:That's the problem, Em's not on his best right now. I know his flow and rhyme schemes have improved, but he's lacking the metaphors, punchlines and overal wordplay.
So, right now, in terms of metaphors, punclines and wordplay. SH > Em, in terms of flows, I gotta give it to Em.


I agree with you Zu, I think budden has better punches, Budden is one of my favorites emcees, and his shits dope. He brings that emotional shit on almost all his tracks, and when he doesn't its still dope. I'm a huge em fan as you all should know by now, and I agree that em in a way is back, I loved most of relapse and refill has dope shit that I enjoy.

With that said, I think em can hang on SH track, as in, he will make the song better than it being without him. We shouldn't always do this, he'll outshine them or him or anyone, it's about making good music, I think he outshined everyone on forever because his verse is what makes that song great, Drake had a good verse yeah, but I'm just gettin tired of that shit like the nemo, chemo lines...

But again it's all opinion, we can say whoever is the worst rapper alive, and someone can think he is the best because he/she likes listening to them.
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Re: Could Em Keep Up With Slaughterhouse ?

Postby slimsoxshady » Jan 20th, '10, 00:17

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slimsoxshady wrote:We'll find out when Relapse 2 leaks
But I'd bet my money on Joe Budden having the best verse on that...he's been putting out some amazing tracks over the past couple months...right around the time this track was recorded


Really lmao? With the lyrical space Em is in right now. And the fact he's spent this long perfecting it, seems more focused than ever and is determined to make songs you can play 100, 1,000 times.

You think Joe Budden will have a better verse? I say no chance.

I guess you haven't heard the Budden tracks.
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Re: Could Em Keep Up With Slaughterhouse ?

Postby mcZu » Jan 20th, '10, 00:18

EminemBase wrote:
slimsoxshady wrote:We'll find out when Relapse 2 leaks
But I'd bet my money on Joe Budden having the best verse on that...he's been putting out some amazing tracks over the past couple months...right around the time this track was recorded


Really lmao? With the lyrical space Em is in right now. And the fact he's spent this long perfecting it, seems more focused than ever and is determined to make songs you can play 100, 1,000 times.

You think Joe Budden will have a better verse? I say no chance.

Let's put it like this, Joe Budden is more hungry right now. Not saying he will have the better verse, I'm a Budden fan, but I'll be realistic, Eminem is a legend. But it depends, you'll never know, maybe Joey will outshine him, maybe not.
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Re: Could Em Keep Up With Slaughterhouse ?

Postby Emadyville » Jan 20th, '10, 00:20

mcZu wrote:
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slimsoxshady wrote:We'll find out when Relapse 2 leaks
But I'd bet my money on Joe Budden having the best verse on that...he's been putting out some amazing tracks over the past couple months...right around the time this track was recorded


Really lmao? With the lyrical space Em is in right now. And the fact he's spent this long perfecting it, seems more focused than ever and is determined to make songs you can play 100, 1,000 times.

You think Joe Budden will have a better verse? I say no chance.

Let's put it like this, Joe Budden is more hungry right now. Not saying he will have the better verse, I'm a Budden fan, but I'll be realistic, Eminem is a legend. But it depends, you'll never know, maybe Joey will outshine him, maybe not.


Yeah, budden is hungry, dude doesn't get the respect or notoriety he deserves, kinda like em even though he sells and whatever, but budden is hungrier and it'll show, he always puts out dope shit so lets just see what happens :sweating:
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Re: Could Em Keep Up With Slaughterhouse ?

Postby EminemBase » Jan 20th, '10, 00:20

slimsoxshady wrote:
EminemBase wrote:
slimsoxshady wrote:We'll find out when Relapse 2 leaks
But I'd bet my money on Joe Budden having the best verse on that...he's been putting out some amazing tracks over the past couple months...right around the time this track was recorded


Really lmao? With the lyrical space Em is in right now. And the fact he's spent this long perfecting it, seems more focused than ever and is determined to make songs you can play 100, 1,000 times.

You think Joe Budden will have a better verse? I say no chance.

I guess you haven't heard the Budden tracks.


YES I HAVE.

Man, I'm so sick of people resorting to this fucking stupid cop-out. Just because I disagree with you stop resorting to "oh you couldn't of heard him then". You know how fucking bigotted that is.

That's as patronozing as me doing the same to you but saying "you obviously haven't heard enough of Eminem then".

Listen to me. I am a fan of HIPPP-HOOOP. All hip-hop. And I listen. To all hip-hop. I wouldn't make such stern statements if I didn't believe it and have reasons for believing it. Budden comes out with some good punchlines YES. But is he on Em's level to ME? NO. Not even close.

His flow isn't 10%, his irony doesn't touch the sides. He comes out with some fundamentally good punchlines. But he isn't a multi-dimensional, lyrical diamond like Eminem.

Of the last few years Em has largely been leaving punchlines for the freestyle cutting floor. He quite clearly doesn't consider them worthy song content and rightly. You can't just keep making punchline-songs forever.

He does introspection, horrorcore, politics, humour, story, every possible angle, often simultaneously - Constantly injecting subversive attitude and irony and intense verbal energy. Nobody combines so many moods and styles and certainly not Joe Budden.
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Re: Could Em Keep Up With Slaughterhouse ?

Postby Spyder » Jan 20th, '10, 00:25

srry i dobuted you oh wise wizard Zu :worship:
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Re: Could Em Keep Up With Slaughterhouse ?

Postby shadyboymez » Jan 20th, '10, 00:29

In my opinion, Eminem (when on his game) can outshine anyone on a track. He has the skills to do it, just sometimes he can be a bit lazy. Based on the few recent features though, I think he has started putting much more into the features...possibly trying to get his name out there on some more serious shit.

I hear quite a few people always sayin Budden is so sick, but really have never been able to get into him. Somethin about his voice, I just cant listen to it for very long. He has some nice lines in there, good flow, but nothin that really stands out to me. I gotta say though, I never got into Tech N9ne until I saw so many comments about him, and for about the last month he's been in heavy rotation. Someone recommended his album Everready and damn I just went from there, and now I've got about 40 tracks that I was feelin by him. So what would be like 3 songs by Joe Budden that I just need to hear? Anyone...
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Re: Could Em Keep Up With Slaughterhouse ?

Postby mcZu » Jan 20th, '10, 00:30

Spyder wrote:srry i dobuted you oh wise wizard Zu :worship:

Now check out these new Budden songs:

Joe Budden - Russian Roulette
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPbLEL6I3T8

Joe Budden - Keep on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C1fyXnU ... re=related

Joe Budden - Money's On Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVtZmwtpdu0

Joe Budden - R.I.P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_pAZBv85w0

Joe Budden - Hate Me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An-pqonsIWI
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