Blueprint 3 >>>>> Relapse (Singles)

[EminemIVLife]

Jay picked the best songs off BP3 for his singles, he was wise to do that, whereas imo at least, the singles off Relapse where some of the worst tracks on the album ( except Beautiful and 3am )

Lmao, the worst except for "3AM" and "Beautiful"? Well those two and "We Made You" were the three main, official singles. "Old Time's Sake" was a street / promo, digital only one.

So you think only one of the three was the worst. Not having a go at you just seems weird to say they're the worst apart from 2/3 of them lmao. Why not just say "We Made You" was the worst.

Worst in the sense that radio likes playing high tempo songs which rules out beautiful and 3am is not played on radio.

[EminemBase]

^ I think that's a good sign though.

"We Made You" was obviously a forced song, which he's admitted and which was apparent anyway... And they always have been, he's just following a formula which works.

But I think it's good that not many of the songs could be singles, shows he's making songs to be good songs and not for the radio. Unlike many.

I think it's fine if the song happens to sound good for commercial consumption... Ie. "Business" or "Without Me" as long as it's not the intention of the song. This what I think people get wrong when they think Em sold out or is commercial.

Making good songs which happen to be catchy and making songs only for the purpose of being catch /commercial is two different things. He does the former.

[EminemIVLife]

^ I think that's a good sign though.

"We Made You" was obviously a forced song, which he's admitted and which was apparent anyway... And they always have been, he's just following a formula which works.

But I think it's good that not many of the songs could be singles, shows he's making songs to be good songs and not for the radio. Unlike many.

Yeah and its amazing how many ppl are calling him pop almost like its official. FUCK we made you

[AJS2050]

Even though "We Made You" isn't a great song, it was a great choice for a single, its good for airplay, good for tv and done really well and got to #1 in a number of countries. But any song that Em Promotes like he did with We Made You would have been a hit. If he performs it on Jonathan Ross Show to 7 million people than it's bound to be big. If he did that with the other singles then they would have been as succesful as We Made You was on the charts.

[EminemBase]

^ But that's the only thing I dislike about him now.

The original Eminem made songs how he wanted them and if they weren't clean enough for radio he said fuck the radio.

But now he makes songs that are clean enough for radio and he's agreed not to do songs that could be perceived as homephobic at the UK gig this year.

He's reversing his years of efforts of fighting censorship by giving into it. He was happy to just have his cuss words bleeped out before but now he just doesn't say them so it's easier.

It's a very bad thing for such a public, free-speech artist to be giving into it like this. He said he doesn't care about sales now and never did anyway but they weren't the driving force.

Yet he still thinks he needs to make a song clean enough for radio to please Interscope... Why... He doesn't need Interscope. Okay they have major distribution but if it was really just about the music now he could release it independently or just say to them, it's either this way or the highway.

They need him not visa versa, he's their golden child. He has an Evlis following regardless and that following will follow him wherever. He shouldn't be bowing down to their requests at this point.

[AJS2050]

^ yeah i think Relapse 2 might be the first album not to have a pop clean first single...at least i hope.

[EminemBase]

^ Hmm well you say the first I mean... I think only "Just Lose It" and "We Made You" can be called those.

None of the singles are pop, they're just pop-Eminem.

"My Name Is" was a random thing he did that just happened to catch on. "The Real Slim Shady" was a duplication of that formula but at the time, it was very outspoken, caused a lot of stir. "Without Me"... It was zany, catchy and similar but again, it's not pop just catchy lol. He's still being totally himself.

But "Just Lose It" was made to be catchy and clean as was "We Made You". But they're not pop, just pop-Eminem. Eminem toning himself down and cleaning himself up but no pop star talks about harrassing old ladies naked and popping sleeping medication lmao.

But yeah I know what you mean. I just hope he comes up with a more creative lead-off.

[tigrot]

i totally agree with you man

[Arrinef]

^ yeah i think Relapse 2 might be the first album not to have a pop clean first single...at least i hope.

Hope is all we got left

[2sDay]

Kay Young > Alicia Keys

who is that mfuckka?

[Relapse.LP]

I think the singles should have been...

1. Taking My Ball (get rid of WMY, this in replacement, darker vid for the concept)
2. Stay Wide Awake
3. Deja Vu - With a snappy, cut-shot video. I love this song. Chorus is superb.

STW wouldn't make a better single than 3am as it's about rape

I don't think it should matter what it's about. Nothing on Relapse is commercial.

All of the album is about rape and killing. Even WMY, he just lightened it up and made it cleaner and frothier so it could go out.

"3AM" is about chopping people up, shoving his dick up a maniquin and coming hope to a hallway of dead bodies, it's not commercial either. It's anti-commercial.

So all that matters to me is the quality of the song. The execution. And I think STW would of been received better. It may be about explicit things but there's not a lot of cursing, it's very technical and catchy and I think a better representation of the album.

We Made You is one of the most fucking commercial rap songs this year. When I mean rap, I mean someone rapping, not singing shit.

^ Strictly for radio-play. ^

[EminemBase]

We Made You is one of the most fucking commercial rap songs this year. When I mean rap, I mean someone rapping, not singing shit.

^ Strictly for radio-play. ^

No it's not. We clearly have a different definition of commercial then.

"We Made You" is a pop-Eminem single but not a pop single. He made it to be catchy and be clean enough to go out. Of course it's strictly for radio play because nothing else on the album was so he needed a fucking single.

But talking about popping sleeping pills and slaughtering your audience is by no means commercial. It's catchy, it's zany, it's more exaggerated and stupid and it's cleaned up for radio - YES. But it's not fucking commercial. It feels old because Em does it every time but that's a different thing.

The subject matter isn't commercial and the execution isn't either. He's using a very technical spitfire flow and he isn't paticularly dumbing down the rhyming or vocabulary. Saying things like "Well I can be as gentle and as smooth as a gentlemen", "I swear them other guys, they take a mile if you give em' an inch" and "pop a little Zantac for antacid" if you can isn't watered down for public consumption.

He's still tailored it specifically to people who know him, he hasn't sold his persona down the river, he even talks about his pilk fucking Elf shirt. He's nothing other than true to hip-hop and himself. "We Made You" is stale and rehashed. And catchy. But not commercial and not pop. Different things.

[Relapse.LP]

We Made You is one of the most fucking commercial rap songs this year. When I mean rap, I mean someone rapping, not singing shit.

^ Strictly for radio-play. ^

No it's not. We clearly have a different definition of commercial then.

"We Made You" is a pop-Eminem single but not a pop single. He made it to be catchy and be clean enough to go out. Of course it's strictly for radio play because nothing else on the album was so he needed a fucking single.

But talking about popping sleeping pills and slaughtering your audience is by no means commercial. It's catchy, it's zany, it's more exaggerated and stupid and it's cleaned up for radio - YES. But it's not fucking commercial. It feels old because Em does it every time but that's a different thing.

The subject matter isn't commercial and the execution isn't either. He's using a very technical spitfire flow and he isn't paticularly dumbing down the rhyming or vocabulary. Saying things like "Well I can be as gentle and as smooth as a gentlemen", "I swear them other guys, they take a mile if you give em' an inch" and "pop a little Zantac for antacid" if you can isn't watered down for public consumption.

He's still tailored it specifically to people who know him, he hasn't sold his persona down the river, he even talks about his pilk fucking Elf shirt. He's nothing other than true to hip-hop and himself. "We Made You" is stale and rehashed. And catchy. But not commercial and not pop. Different things.

IMO, I can understand the technical skill put into it and the lyrical complexity of some lines, but the horrible accent and the subject matter drops the song way down my scale.

EDIT: Defending We Made You is easier. Now defending Just Lose It is a whole new topic and close to insanity. The latter sucks, nothing more to be said.

[EminemBase]

IMO, I can understand the technical skill put into it and the lyrical complexity of some lines, but the horrible accent and the subject matter drops the song way down my scale.

EDIT: Defending We Made You is easier. Now defending Just Lose It is a whole new topic and close to insanity. The latter sucks, nothing more to be said.

Well whether you think the voice / flow sucks (isn't an accent to me, he's saying things American, it's just said in bunches of energy, like each new line) or the subject matter is cheesy or whatever is a different thing. Just saying, it ain't commercial. It's rehash, it's catchy, it's uncreative for him but not commercial.

I actually don't think it's a bad song either. It's a nice chorus and bridge and I like all the verses minus the fart. N' yeah, I ain't defending "Just Lose It" though and never would. It's an annoying piece of shit.

[Relapse.LP]

IMO, I can understand the technical skill put into it and the lyrical complexity of some lines, but the horrible accent and the subject matter drops the song way down my scale.

EDIT: Defending We Made You is easier. Now defending Just Lose It is a whole new topic and close to insanity. The latter sucks, nothing more to be said.

Well whether you think the voice / flow sucks (isn't an accent to me, he's saying things American, it's just said in bunches of energy, like each new line) or the subject matter is cheesy or whatever is a different thing. Just saying, it ain't commercial. It's rehash, it's catchy, it's uncreative for him but not commercial.

I actually don't think it's a bad song either. It's a nice chorus and bridge and I like all the verses minus the fart. N' yeah, I ain't defending "Just Lose It" though and never would. It's an annoying piece of shit.

The whole album is rehash, but I agree for the most part.