Conspiracy Theory - Eminem Album Sales

[RTiii320]

Eminem isn't talked about?

Maybe not now, but trying saying that in 2000 - 2003 when he was in his prime. He was the biggest artist in the whole regardless of genre. He was everywhere, even in Britain. When he came to BRitain to perform it was all anyone was talking about.

It's easy to say he isn't talked about now, but I bet Lil Wayne wasn't talked abut when he wasn't in his prime? In Britain he's not even talked about when he's in his peak.

Yep, exactly. I was talking about nowadays and his image. In 1999-2003 he was loved by everyone.

[Medicine Ball]

just because people didn't buy the singles, don't mean people didn't buy the album.

[kevinh]

people talking more about em than wayne in my school

[Edge]

Anyone else find it odd that until last year Em only had one #1 record but supposedly sold over 80 million records? look up everyone that sold the same if not more albums then em they all had #1 singles in there album(s) other reason why i question this is because i do not hear people talk about eminem. not in school, not in clubs, party's, anywhere even in 2002 i never hear anyone talk about em but maybe a person here or there. also notice how the top 7 people associated with dre is in the top 10 best selling rappers ever 1.Eminem 2.2pac 3.Snoop 4.Eazy-E 5. 50 Cent 6.Ice Cube 7. (Dre himself) I will be editing and adding more into this topic as i discover more things.

Btw im in no way a eminem hater, more of a fan then anything

Are you serious? Lol.

Illuminati.

.....

I bet that's what you wanted to hear, right. 1999-2001 Em was Lil Wayne. From where I grew up, anyways. I remember people used to think Em was some 1-hit wonder, corny white boy (ala Vanilla Ice) around the time SSLP dropped. Then he showed up on 2001 backing up Dre and everyone was like "Oh Sh*t". Then around the time MMLP dropped the "Greatest Rapper Alive" shit surrounded Em just like it did Wayne, and suddenly he was f*cking everywhere. Remember EmTV, and TRL where he showed his retarded bleached-haired face every 2 minutes? Yeah.

It was around the time that "Eminem Show" dropped that the accusations of going "Pop" and falling off appeared, and he started losing his underground influence. Most fans think this is his best album by far, but the entire rap fanbase as a whole thought he was becoming too mainstream (There was far less shock value, no edgy songs like "Kill You" or "Kim", he seemed to be rapping slower, etc.). At the same time he dropped Devil's Night with D12 and....well..in the words of "Joe Budden". (I'm sure there's gonna be that 1 faggot that is in love with the Eminem Show who is going to
stop reading around the part where I said he went pop and quote me to try and start an argument. Before you do: Fuck You too)

Or when rap dudes started signin they friends
Instead of goin out and tryin to find *****'s with skill
Seen it when d-12 put out purple pills
And while the whole hood laughed them ***** sold a mill

And then he signed 50, who got eaten up like candy by the mainstream. At the same time he took up this weird ass gangster persona in interviews and started rolling with G-Unit, and you can see this influence on his music as well, because suddenly in every feature he was on, he was on some "Fucking You Up, Gangster Style" shit and constantly bringing up the pistol incident in his songs. Of course, this only made the mainstream fans more amped up for his next album....So he gave it to them.

And here we have Encore.... ......Oh, but maybe he can redeem himself with this Re-Up shit...... ......Oh shit, maybe the D12 album.... .....Curtain Call?... ......Guest appearances?... ....Touchdown?.... ....Smack That?...

And thus begin the massive decline of Eminem. Critically, he made a comeback with Relapse, but his prime is over. He's still brought up here and there in conversations but that's usually only for the Mariah Carey thing or "We Made You". Maybe he can fully steal back the mainstream from Wayne with Relapse 2, and maybe that might be his best album to date but....

u had some good ponts i guess but eminem show definently wasnt mainstream.. i find it to be his best cd... songs like "say what you say" "till i collapse" "white america" arent pop at all.... drips was edgy, white america was edgy.... he didnt talk about murder as much b/c he grew as an artist, not bc he became pop.... another thing id like to address is that u said d12 wasnt good... i think swift, proof, em, and kaniuva are sick... bizzare is funny but not good and kon artist makes some hot beats... so its not that he was just helping his friends.... he was helping his friends with talent.... if he was just helping his friends where is the outsidaz? and yea u brought up shit like smack that and touchdown, which is clearly his worst shit, but he was also going thru some shit at that time

[ShadyVsEminem]

"Maybe he can fully steal back the mainstream from Wayne"


Rebirth
Australian Albums Chart 51
French Albums Chart 89
UK Albums Chart 24
U.S. Billboard 200 2

Relapse
Australian Albums Chart 1
Austrian Albums Chart 2
Belgium Albums Chart 1
Canadian Albums Chart 1
Danish Albums Chart 1
Dutch Albums Chart 3
Finnish Albums Chart 5
French Albums Chart 1
German Albums Chart 2
Greek Albums Chart 13
Italian Albums Chart 4
Japanese Albums Chart 1
Mexico Albums Chart 24
New Zealand Albums Chart 1
Norwegian Albums Chart 1
Polish Albums Chart 1
Russian Albums Chart 3
Spanish Albums Chart 5
Swedish Albums Chart 3
Swiss Albums Chart 2
UK Albums Chart 1
U.S. Billboard 200 1

???????????????????????
The only way Wayne had the spotlight was when Eminem was on a break from music.Wayne has 1 successful album out of god knows how many and it was commercial garbage.

[LilWayne4Life]

"Maybe he can fully steal back the mainstream from Wayne"


Rebirth
Australian Albums Chart 51
French Albums Chart 89
UK Albums Chart 24
U.S. Billboard 200 2

Relapse
Australian Albums Chart 1
Austrian Albums Chart 2
Belgium Albums Chart 1
Canadian Albums Chart 1
Danish Albums Chart 1
Dutch Albums Chart 3
Finnish Albums Chart 5
French Albums Chart 1
German Albums Chart 2
Greek Albums Chart 13
Italian Albums Chart 4
Japanese Albums Chart 1
Mexico Albums Chart 24
New Zealand Albums Chart 1
Norwegian Albums Chart 1
Polish Albums Chart 1
Russian Albums Chart 3
Spanish Albums Chart 5
Swedish Albums Chart 3
Swiss Albums Chart 2
UK Albums Chart 1
U.S. Billboard 200 1

???????????????????????
The only way Wayne had the spotlight was when Eminem was on a break from music.Wayne has 1 successful album out of god knows how many and it was commercial garbage.

Where are you going with this?

Tha Carter 3 U.S sales = 3.6 million | Tha Carter 3 world wide sales = 5 million
Relapse U.S sales = 1.8 million | R worldwide sales = 3 million

Rebirth first week sales = 180k
Relapse Re-fill first week sales = 127k



And i lol'd at the obvious dick riding i knew was gonna take place in this thread from my topic

[ShadyVsEminem]

Where are you going with this?

Tha Carter 3 U.S sales = 3.6 million | Tha Carter 3 world wide sales = 5 million
Relapse U.S sales = 1.8 million | R worldwide sales = 3 million

Rebirth first week sales = 180k
Relapse Re-fill first week sales = 127k



And i lol'd at the obvious dick riding i knew was gonna take place in this thread from my topic

Australian ARIA Albums Chart ARIA
47

Canadian Albums Chart Nielsen SoundScan
1


Dutch Albums Chart Dutch Albums Chart
21

French Albums Chart French Albums Chart
25

Irish Album Chart
34

UK Album Chart The Official UK Charts Company
23


U.S. Billboard 200 Billboard
1


German Albums Chart
29


You honestly think this sold over 2.4 million outside America?Use your fuckin head he dont sell shit outside America and for good reason.

3 million for an album almost entirely about drugs and killing people is decent,but Eminem is at a level 3 million isnt brilliant no matter what the content is.

You say Eminem has 1 no.1 song when infact he has 11.Are you implying Interscope are buying his albums or something cause i see no reason for this thread?

Dont get your knickers in a twist because Eminem has sold 8 times more than Wayne and has sold more on his own than Cash Money collectively.

Then you say people are not talking about him which is bullshit,the Mariah thing alone had everyone talking and it was all over the media.

[AliJack]

^^ actually over here waynes albums sell like hot cakes.

[AJS2050]

Where are you going with this?

Tha Carter 3 U.S sales = 3.6 million | Tha Carter 3 world wide sales = 5 million
Relapse U.S sales = 1.8 million | R worldwide sales = 3 million

Rebirth first week sales = 180k
Relapse Re-fill first week sales = 127k



And i lol'd at the obvious dick riding i knew was gonna take place in this thread from my topic

I have no idea why you keep saying tha carter 3 sold 5 million worldwide, it done 3.6 million. It didn't even reach the top 20 in any other country besides the US & Can, so how on earth could it have done 2 million elsewhere??. Relapse has just reached 3.5 million worldwide as of last week and thats in just 8 months.

As far as comparing Refill to Rebirth is completly stupid, Refill isn't an album its a deluxe edition of Relapse. Just because Em has sold massively more in his career and is huge worldwide in comparison to wayne you have to make some stupid conspiracy theory.

[ShadyVsEminem]

http://www.mediatraffic.de/2000-2009-album-chart.htm

3. Eminem - The Marshall Mathers LP
22 million copies

4. Eminem - The Eminem Show
20 million copies

38. Eminem - Encore
10 million copies

55. Soundtrack - 8 Mile
9 million copies

84. Eminem - Curtain Call (The Hits)
7 million copies

Wheres Wayne on this list seen as you reckon he is so big?He also has the most successful rap song ever just for good measure(and incredibly its not about lollipops).

You keep reaching with your conspiracy theories though.

[Alaine]

Where are you going with this?

Tha Carter 3 U.S sales = 3.6 million | Tha Carter 3 world wide sales = 5 million
Relapse U.S sales = 1.8 million | R worldwide sales = 3 million

Rebirth first week sales = 180k
Relapse Re-fill first week sales = 127k



And i lol'd at the obvious dick riding i knew was gonna take place in this thread from my topic

I have no idea why you keep saying tha carter 3 sold 5 million worldwide, it done 3.6 million. It didn't even reach the top 20 in any other country besides the US & Can, so how on earth could it have done 2 million elsewhere??. Relapse has just reached 3.5 million worldwide as of last week and thats in just 8 months.

As far as comparing Refill to Rebirth is completly stupid, Refill isn't an album its a deluxe edition of Relapse. Just because Em has sold massively more in his career and is huge worldwide in comparison to wayne you have to make some stupid conspiracy theory.

AJS2050 with the ether

[Mr.P]

When I clicked on this thread I knew it would end up in a sales battle between Em and Wayne

[xxTrigger1989xx]

"Maybe he can fully steal back the mainstream from Wayne"


Rebirth
Australian Albums Chart 51
French Albums Chart 89
UK Albums Chart 24
U.S. Billboard 200 2

Relapse
Australian Albums Chart 1
Austrian Albums Chart 2
Belgium Albums Chart 1
Canadian Albums Chart 1
Danish Albums Chart 1
Dutch Albums Chart 3
Finnish Albums Chart 5
French Albums Chart 1
German Albums Chart 2
Greek Albums Chart 13
Italian Albums Chart 4
Japanese Albums Chart 1
Mexico Albums Chart 24
New Zealand Albums Chart 1
Norwegian Albums Chart 1
Polish Albums Chart 1
Russian Albums Chart 3
Spanish Albums Chart 5
Swedish Albums Chart 3
Swiss Albums Chart 2
UK Albums Chart 1
U.S. Billboard 200 1

???????????????????????
The only way Wayne had the spotlight was when Eminem was on a break from music.Wayne has 1 successful album out of god knows how many and it was commercial garbage.

Where are you going with this?

Tha Carter 3 U.S sales = 3.6 million | Tha Carter 3 world wide sales = 5 million
Relapse U.S sales = 1.8 million | R worldwide sales = 3 million

Rebirth first week sales = 180k
Relapse Re-fill first week sales = 127k



And i lol'd at the obvious dick riding i knew was gonna take place in this thread from my topic

Relapse was able to sell, despite getting hardly any radio play and not a lot of promotion. When a new Eminem album comes out, it's like Christmas. Not as many people bought Relapse because they didn't like the content, but even with the questionable content it was still able to win a Grammy and become one of the top albums of 2009. Tha Carter III, on the other hand, got its singles overplayed and that's the only reason why it sold so much. Lil Wayne is not that popular outside of America, because Americans are stupid. I live in America and I know that. People buy in to fads, THAT'S why Tha Carter III sold so much, because Wayne was extremely popular at the time because of him being a collaboration whore and making stupid music instead of good music. It was the same thing with Eminem, Eminem was extremely popular at the time, so he rakes in a Diamond record, and one that came very close. Has Wayne gotten Diamond? I think not. Relapse didn't sell as much because Eminem JUST came back, and announced the album out of nowhere, so not as many people knew. Now, he's creating a buzz again, with his Grammy performance, his Forever and Drop The World verses are out there, and people are starting to see how good Eminem is again. Relapse 2 will probably sell way more than Relapse did, because now he's established himself in the game again. Wayne has been commercialized and is the definition of a bubblegum rapper, that's the ONLY reason why he sells so much. Quality means much more in the hip hop world than quantity, and Wayne is not respected among a lot of true hip hop fans because he puts on a mask. Many rank Eminem above Wayne, especially today. Wayne is starting to lose some edge because Em is back and murdered him on two tracks, and everyone knows it. Wayne had his time, and now that he's going to prison, Em will be able to get the game back where it needs to be: with REAL rappers. And don't even argue that Wayne is real. He's not. All he cares about is money and how much money he has. He grew up having money, he's never been through the things that rappers like Em, Tupac, Biggie, Game, or anyone else worth mentioning has been through. Real hip hop fans don't respect that, they respect quality over quantity any day. And what's funny is, Em has so much more money than Wayne does, and do you see Em flashing his cash everywhere he goes? At this point, do you think he gives a fuck about money? No. He cares about making good music and making his fans happy, and that's all that should matter.

"Fuck money, I don't rap for dead presidents"

And the Rebirth vs. Refill thing...Refill is a re-release of a year old album and STILL sold close to Rebirth, which was a new album. Just signs that Wayne is falling off, if his fan base can't even give him over 200K first week with an album full of brand new material, then that's sad. Refill's 7 songs stomps all of Wayne's little sad attempts at rock music

THINK with your head, not with numbers. Of course, Wayne Stans are not exactly the brightest crayons in the box. They do idolize the man who kisses another guy and then turns around and makes a song about how he wants to fuck every girl in the world. Seems that Wayne is as confused as his fanbase

[Satire]

u had some good ponts i guess but eminem show definently wasnt mainstream.. i find it to be his best cd... songs like "say what you say" "till i collapse" "white america" arent pop at all.... drips was edgy, white america was edgy.... he didnt talk about murder as much b/c he grew as an artist, not bc he became pop.... another thing id like to address is that u said d12 wasnt good... i think swift, proof, em, and kaniuva are sick... bizzare is funny but not good and kon artist makes some hot beats... so its not that he was just helping his friends.... he was helping his friends with talent.... if he was just helping his friends where is the outsidaz? and yea u brought up shit like smack that and touchdown, which is clearly his worst shit, but he was also going thru some shit at that time

That wasn't my personal view on him, that was a satirical look at how the mainstream viewed Eminem up until 2005. Lil Wayne4Life brought up the fact that no one talks about Eminem, and I was just pointing out why that is, and why they started not to, and how they used to actually talk about him alot.

As for myself, I actually loved the CD and for a while viewed it as his best, but Eminem Show was definitely when people started with the Em hate (Not only by mainstream fans, look at the album critically also.)

White America & Drips definitely were edgy, but definitely not as controversial and full of the "shock value" (well, maybe Obie's verse ) that his first 2 CDs had. Yes there was still some controversy surrounding the album, but MMLP had caused the gay community to rally outside of the Grammies in protest of the album winning the award.

And I didn't say D12 wasn't good, I used a Joe Budden quote as a way to look at how a separate artist (Who is actually affiliated with Eminem, to an extent) looks at them as a rap group.

yea u brought up shit like smack that and touchdown, which is clearly his worst shit, but he was also going thru some shit at that time

I am aware, but not the average listener isn't going to be like "Oh, it's okay if he makes subpar music. He has a drug problem". The average rap listener is gonna be like "Wow...Wtf".

Once again, this is not my opinion, I'm just saying it how it is.

And I was totally wrong to say that Wayne has a complete grip on the Mainstream but if you live here in the US, look around you.

I have no doubt in my mind Relapse 2 will sell more than C4 because there is a shit load of hype surrounding it, but ask any kid on the street who their favorite rapper is. They're either going to say 2pac for the sake of conforming, Immortal Technique for the sake of being a rebel, or Lil Wayne because of his huge appeal.

He's on every fucking feature, his label is probably going to be the label of the decade (I don't give a fuck if they suck, any of the artists there can take a shit and put it in a CD case and it'll still sell because of Wayne's stamp of approval).

He has a huge influence on youth, from the way they dress to even the rappers. Go up on Youtube and look at all of the Wayne clones using the same crappy punchline simile formula Wayne uses. Look at everyone trying to mimic his annoying fucking voice, and look at everyone trying to reproduce the same kind of beats that he uses.

I fucking hate Wayne, but turn on the radio and you'll see what I mean when I say he's fucking everywhere. Hell, Obama even used Wayne as an example of a "great rapper" (lol).

I do believe with his jail sentence, he's about to fall off, however. We have a whole year off without Wayne, and I doubt his mainstream fanbase is going to hold out till 2011 just to hear C4. It'll have been 3 years since Wayne put out an album (I don't call Rebirth an album, it's more of a miscarriage).

By then, hopefully the next big thing is going to step into the spotlight, and the "crown" (It shouldn't even be called this, because it is not an achievement to get everyone to ride your cock) will be taken by some other poppy-gimmicky faggot with a weird voice and take control of the radio....

My hopes on the mainstream are on B.o.B. though

[shadyaftamathersbak]

Sounding like a hater to me, why do u even bother coming on this board? That be lyk me goin onto a Lil Wayne forum when I barely hav time for an Em forum & hes my fav artist of all-time! Ur pathetic & btw they are in top 10 selling cuz Dre & his influence...........