Does Dre think Eminem is the best?

[KillahBee]

^ Eminem's first three albums were classics, dude. i can't think of any other rapper with that feat.

Kool G Rap, Redman, Outkast have 4 straight classics, as do De La Soul, MF DOOM has 4 straight classics too

[EminemBase]

^ Eminem's first three albums were classics, dude. i can't think of any other rapper with that feat.

Kool G Rap, Redman, Outkast have 4 straight classics, as do De La Soul

In your opinion maybe but the first three by Kool G Rap aren't widely considered classics critically. Neither are Redman's first four. His first two sure. And OutKast and De La Soul are groups. I said RAPPER.

In any event, none of those albums touch the sides of The Marshall Mathers LP or The Eminem Show.

[KillahBee]

Em's the best by far. And I listen to a lot of hip-hop and fuck any lame coward who just uses the "oh you're just a stan" cop-out every single time somebody says Em is the best.

Em is the Tyson to rap, 2Pac is Ali. Many say Ali / Pac are the greatest because they were so authoritative, overpowering and influential. 2Pac also went out on a high. It'd be like Em getting killed after The Eminem Show.

But technically speaking, in any aspect, Eminem is far and above Pac or any other great. Just like Tyson is in terms of boxing skill. Fast, slow, angry, emotional, realistic, surreal, psychopathic, storytelling - Em has mastered 1,000 styles to 50 different subject matters and created 1,000 more.

To people who say he JUST talks about his daughter / mother etc. are idiots. Out of what, about 400 songs, he's maybe a total of what... Seven? Towards them both combined. Yeah, phew, what a gigantic percentage. In comparison to how many about the cops / drugs and gangstas with 2Pac? Lmao. Eminem can do what any great can, none of them can do what he can.

Ali is the best heavyweight boxer ever, only challenged by Joe Louis. Tyson was an animal in his prime, but once he faced a guy who wasn't afraid of him, he got beat. Ali on the other hand has wins over Foreman and Frazier, 2 of the 10 best heavyweights ever. But neither Ali or Tyson are the best boxers ever, that would be either Ray Robinson, Harry Greb, Sam Langford, or Henry Armstrong.

Anyway back on topic, it's subjective, you can't just say Em is by far the best rapper ever, it's an opinion. In terms of pure skill, I'd say G Rap, Pharoahe Monch, Big L, and Andre 3000 are all at least level with Em, in terms of discography, there are many better out there

[KillahBee]

^ Eminem's first three albums were classics, dude. i can't think of any other rapper with that feat.

Kool G Rap, Redman, Outkast have 4 straight classics, as do De La Soul

In your opinion maybe but the first three by Kool G Rap aren't widely considered classics critically. Neither are Redman's first four. His first two sure. And OutKast and De La Soul are groups. I said RAPPER.

In any event, none of those albums touch the sides of The Marshall Mathers LP or The Eminem Show.

Road to Riches, Wanted Dead or Alive, and Live and Let Die are all considered classics, outside of Eminem fans, The Eminem Show is not considered a classic, I never said Redman's first four, I said his first 3 are, if you dont consider Muddy Waters a classic well then I don't know what to say, its Reds best album.

I don't care if Outkast and De La are groups, they've both dropped 4 straight classics

And yes, track for track, Live and Let Die is better than anything Em has ever dropped. Most hiphop fans who've heard that album will tell you that, best display of emceeing ever put to wax.

[EminemBase]

Road to Riches, Wanted Dead or Alive, and Live and Let Die are all considered classics, outside of Eminem fans, The Eminem Show is not considered a classic, I never said Redman's first four, I said his first 3 are, if you dont consider Muddy Waters a classic well then I don't know what to say, its Reds best album.

I don't care if Outkast and De La are groups, they've both dropped 4 straight classics

And yes, track for track, Live and Let Die is better than anything Em has ever dropped. Most hiphop fans who've heard that album will tell you that, best display of emceeing ever put to wax.

Outside of Em fans? No I think not. The Eminem Show is his best album, has near perfect ratings from most critical outlets universally and is also a pick on many best 500 albums of all time lists. It's definitely a classic and better than MMLP.

And for some people to call some of the albums they do classics and not TES is beyond me. The absolute craft in that album. The top to bottom work, the production, the theme, the lyricism... Awe-inspiring.

As for the rest of what you said. I disagree with all of it, none of them approach the skill, artistic integrity / intrigue / originality of Eminem and many other aspects I can't be bothered to go through. To each his own. You don't think he's the GOAT, I do. End of.

[KillahBee]

Road to Riches, Wanted Dead or Alive, and Live and Let Die are all considered classics, outside of Eminem fans, The Eminem Show is not considered a classic, I never said Redman's first four, I said his first 3 are, if you dont consider Muddy Waters a classic well then I don't know what to say, its Reds best album.

I don't care if Outkast and De La are groups, they've both dropped 4 straight classics

And yes, track for track, Live and Let Die is better than anything Em has ever dropped. Most hiphop fans who've heard that album will tell you that, best display of emceeing ever put to wax.

Outside of Em fans? No I think not. The Eminem Show is his best album, has near perfect ratings from most critical outlets universally and is also a pick on many best 500 albums of all time lists. It's definitely a classic and better than MMLP.

As for the rest of what you said. I disagree with all of it, none of them approach the skill, artistic integrity / intrigue / originality of Eminem and many other aspects I can't be bothered to go through. To each his own. You don't think he's the GOAT, I do. End of.

I don't give a shit what critics say, they're paid to give an opinion, not to be right. And if your basing your opinion on critics, TES has an average score of 75 on metacritic. Not great TBH.
http://www.metacritic.com/music/artists ... eminemshow

The fact is the majority of hiphop fans, outside of Eminem fans, do not consider TES to be a classic, SSLP and MMLP on the other hand.....
Every emcee I mentioned has more originality than Em, Jesus Christ you can clearly see that Em was influenced by Chino XL and Redman: they started that celebraty bashing/controversial style way before Em adopted it, G Rap on the other hand, this guy made his own sub genre of hiphop that spawned classics like Reasonable Doubt and Cuban Linx.
And to say Andre 3k doesn't possess the skill and artist integrity of Eminem is just blasphemous
Anyway we agree to disagree

[EminemBase]

I don't give a shit what critics say, they're paid to give an opinion, not to be right. The fact is the majority of hiphop fans, outside of Eminem fans, do not consider TES to be a classic, SSLP and MMLP on the other hand.....
Every emcee I mentioned has more originality than Em, Jesus Christ you can clearly see that Em was influenced by Chino XL and Redman: they started that celebraty bashing/controversial style way before Em adopted it, G Rap on the other hand, this guy made his own sub genre of hiphop that spawned classics like Reasonable Doubt and Cuban Linx.
And to say Andre 3k doesn't possess the skill and artist integrity of Eminem is just blasphemous
Anyway we agree to disagree

And I don't give a molecule of horse shit what the fuck YOU say. I say that most hip-hop fans DO consider it a classic. What do you think you speak for the hip-hop nation all of a sudden? The general consensus is that the album is a classic.

No MC you mentioned has more originality than Eminem. And Eminem's originality doesn't come from bashing fucking celebrities. He started doing that to separate himself from being lumped in with them. To try use that as a true representation of his artistry is absurd.

I know Eminem was influenced by Redman, big fucking deal. As if you can't be better than who you were influenced by. Ricky Gervais was influenced by Christopher Guest but he's mcuh much better than him.

[KillahBee]

I don't give a shit what critics say, they're paid to give an opinion, not to be right. The fact is the majority of hiphop fans, outside of Eminem fans, do not consider TES to be a classic, SSLP and MMLP on the other hand.....
Every emcee I mentioned has more originality than Em, Jesus Christ you can clearly see that Em was influenced by Chino XL and Redman: they started that celebraty bashing/controversial style way before Em adopted it, G Rap on the other hand, this guy made his own sub genre of hiphop that spawned classics like Reasonable Doubt and Cuban Linx.
And to say Andre 3k doesn't possess the skill and artist integrity of Eminem is just blasphemous
Anyway we agree to disagree

And I don't give a molecule of horse shit what the fuck YOU say. I say that most hip-hop fans DO consider it a classic. What do you think you speak for the hip-hop nation all of a sudden? The general consensus is that the album is a classic.

No MC you mentioned has more originality than Eminem. And Eminem's originality doesn't come from bashing fucking celebrities. He started doing that to separate himself from being lumped in with them. To try use that as a true representation of his artistry is absurd.

I know Eminem was influenced by Redman, big fucking deal. As if you can't be better than who you were influenced by. Ricky Gervais was influenced by Christopher Guest but he's mcuh much better than him.

If you don't give a fuck about what I say then why are you replying? Well then you show me where an avergare hiphop fan called it a classic and Ill drop my statement. Ill send you a link to a review site to prove my point that its not considered a classic amongest fans.
It a very good album, a few classic tracks, some medicore tracks.

But Em bit Redamn's style when he was coming up, how's that original? Rappers have been influenced by others without biting their style.
And yes,Andre 3k, Pharoahe Monch, And G Rap are all more original than Em, you don't agree? I don't expect you to, but it's what I think.

Don't get me wrong, I love Em's music, but to say he's "by far" the best rapper ever is ignorance.

[RichardDiNozzo]

Em his favourite protegé with Snoop & Dre. So why the fuck not?
Man why the fuck should Pac and Biggie died? The 3 of them should have made fantastic songs together.
I know so much people wrote this thing before me but this is the true.

[Kez]

I don't give a shit what critics say, they're paid to give an opinion, not to be right. The fact is the majority of hiphop fans, outside of Eminem fans, do not consider TES to be a classic, SSLP and MMLP on the other hand.....
Every emcee I mentioned has more originality than Em, Jesus Christ you can clearly see that Em was influenced by Chino XL and Redman: they started that celebraty bashing/controversial style way before Em adopted it, G Rap on the other hand, this guy made his own sub genre of hiphop that spawned classics like Reasonable Doubt and Cuban Linx.
And to say Andre 3k doesn't possess the skill and artist integrity of Eminem is just blasphemous
Anyway we agree to disagree

And I don't give a molecule of horse shit what the fuck YOU say.

Irony at its best.

Must every thread in this section go around in circles these days? Tell me EB, if you don't give a horse shit what he says, why should he give a horse shit what you say, or why should anyone else? EminemBase you don't seem to realise that no matter how many statistics you post up an opinion is still an opinion; you can't make everyone love Eminem. Just because it's an Eminem fansite doesn't mean people who don't think he's #1 ever aren't allowed to come here. The fact that you can't make people think something also relates to the thread in general; there will never be a #1 ever because it's far too subjective and to be considered #1 ever pretty much everyone in the world has to love you, and that's not possible for anyone. Now, to return to the topic and ask in terms of does DRE think he's the best (not all you little bitches complaining back and forth), he probably thinks he's one of the best or he wouldn't have taken such a huge risk bringing him up and backing him. But again that's Dre's opinion, doesn't make it fact. Fuck me, it's like talking to children.

[Kez]

pretty sure EmBase knows he can't make everyone love Eminem & i'm pretty sure he doesn't want to disallow people who don't think Em is #1 from coming here. he is not trying to force people to agree with him. he even offered to agree to disagree with KillahBee in the thread. you're completely misinterpreting it.

i'm pretty sure you're stating the obvious when you say "opinions are subjective bla bla", "you can't change people's opinions" & that those two statements more than anything make discussions go around in circles, rather than the discussion Eminem Base & KillahBee were having. just because a discussion is back-&-forth by nature, or tit-for-tat, does not mean it is going in circles. new points are being made with every post & the discussion isn't stagnant.

on more than one occasion you have confused a back-&-forth discussion for an unproductive one & locked the thread. meanwhile you post image macros devoid of any substance that add nothing @ all to the discussion.

First of all, if he knows he can't make people agree with him, why does he post fawking huge essays about it? Plus, surely he can see the pointlessness in giving people his opinion when he freely proclaims that he doesn't care about anyone else's, which begs the question of why would the guy he said this to care about his? Secondly, i have to state the obvious because so many people seem to ignore it here these days. And i lock the threads because they are repetitive as all fuck; i don't need to see ANOTHER thread about, when you strip it down, "Is Eminem good or not?" followed by some faggot Stans going "STFU HE IS GOD".

And for your information, i didn't lock this thread because i recognised it had aspects of a discussion in it, as opposed to the previous ones i locked. But hey, you're free to disagree with whatever you want; still won't change anything.

[Shit Can Happen]

You guys remember when Moses told the Hebrews that Detox will be coming out next year?

[Evil-Genius]

There so many close minded fucks out there.

Irony at it's best.

I have never seen you quoting somebody and say something positive , Seems like you always trying to pick up fights over the internet , Maybe because you have a miserable life and you try to push your anger through these internet forums ?

I really feel bad for you bro , You`re the most pathetic person I`v seen in an online forum yet.

And Lol @ the cute Mod whos deleting my Post . And not deleting his. After all I just stated my opinion to the Topic starter.

Pathetic too I might say.

[MikeNUFC]

I have never seen you quoting somebody and say something positive , Seems like you always trying to pick up fights over the internet , Maybe because you have a miserable life and you try to push your anger through these internet forums ?

I really feel bad for you bro , You`re the most pathetic person I`v seen in an online forum yet.

You're pretty easy to wind up. I only quote you becuase all you're comments are ignorant as fuck. And I hate ignorance.

[Evil-Genius]

I have never seen you quoting somebody and say something positive , Seems like you always trying to pick up fights over the internet , Maybe because you have a miserable life and you try to push your anger through these internet forums ?

I really feel bad for you bro , You`re the most pathetic person I`v seen in an online forum yet.

You're pretty easy to wind up. I only quote you becuase all you're comments are ignorant as fuck. And I hate ignorance.

Thank you for proving my point of your miserableness .