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Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

Postby EminemBase » Jul 1st, '10, 02:26

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To those who don't know Gervais, he's a comedian (from the UK) who was the co-writer, co-director and co-star of The Office (original) and Extras, which was on BBC and HBO.

I remember reading this comment on Eminem from him a while back. It's from 2004, so Em probably didn't even hear it as Gervais was hardly known at all in the US then. He's still only known in spots but is getting much bigger.

He said this...
Eminem's a comedy genius. How can he get that much humour and balls in a lyric. There's been nothing like him. His songs are genuinely brilliant, funny, erudite, articulate - he can be damning and still remain above it, and funny.

There's charcacter, there's tongue-and-cheek and he just spits it. And the videos are little works of art as well. If he wants to co-write my next award-winning sitcom with me, it would be an honour.


Whether or not the offer was genuine, which I think it actually was, I think that's a brilliant summation of why Eminem is so good. To the point in hand, if Em were to write something with Gervais that would be amazing. As Gervais essentially shares Em's artistic integrity, believes in zero compromise and purposely creates things on taboo subjects to ironically jab the attitudes of those who misunderstand them. Which is pretty much what Em has been doing since he began.

They could create something great together. It's a perfect match in terms of values and vision. It's great to see one genius appreciate another too, am glad the best comedian of my generation likes the best rapper of my generation.
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Re: Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

Postby EminemBase » Jul 1st, '10, 02:33

trinell05 wrote:Not that I stalk you or anything, but I totally remember you saying that the last Ricky Gervais show you saw sucked horribly. Why would you want Eminem to collaborate with someone who sucks? That's an insult.


It did.

But that doesn't change the fact Gervais a comedy genius when he's on form.

The Office, Extras and his first three stand-ups are sublime. I'm a massive Ricky Gervais fan. He just majorly let me down on this latest tour. But that doesn't diminish all my earned respect on him. It'd be like totally disregarding Em after Encore.
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Re: Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

Postby Kez » Jul 1st, '10, 02:36

I don't really think the two would exactly gel together very well if they wrote a show...for one thing Em's American and Ricky's English.

Plus, Em isn't exactly a scriptwriter lol he probably wouldn't even know where to begin

Still though i'd definately watch it if it happened :p
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Re: Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

Postby EminemBase » Jul 1st, '10, 02:42

Kez wrote:I don't really think the two would exactly gel together very well if they wrote a show...for one thing Em's American and Ricky's English.

Plus, Em isn't exactly a scriptwriter lol he probably wouldn't even know where to begin

Still though i'd definately watch it if it happened :p


In terms of their nationality, I think that's a very small-minded way to view it. First of all our cultures are very similar anyway, US and UK both have huge commercilzation, mainstreaming of music, products, obsession with celebrity for its sake etc. etc.

Which is why the US find Gervais funny. Because he creates humour that pokes fun at all of these things as well as character-types and perceptions. Which are specific to humans, not cultures. So like he said, outside of the odd cultural reference, people are generally the same and he tours and gets acclaim in the US.

So given the fact one is from UK and one from US would just mean Em would give the insight on America and Gervais would handle the UK insight. And they could work on ruling out any specifics that collide the cultures, or simply ignore that and just create something than transcends both. All that matters is their artistic values. They're both integral, they both create art for the process itself, they both purposely sport controversy, neither compromises and they both use irony to mock people who misunderstand them. Constantly.

It's a perfect match because of all of that. Em doesn't need to know how to write a TV show, Gervais wasn't a screenwriter when he wrote The Office either. Gervais has that down now so could handle the formatting but evident from his albums, Em has more than enough wondrous artistic creativity in every other aspect. All that matters is his input, creatively.
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Re: Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

Postby 77o77 » Jul 1st, '10, 02:51

trinell05 wrote:
EminemBase wrote:
trinell05 wrote:Not that I stalk you or anything, but I totally remember you saying that the last Ricky Gervais show you saw sucked horribly. Why would you want Eminem to collaborate with someone who sucks? That's an insult.


It did.

But that doesn't change the fact Gervais a comedy genius when he's on form.

The Office, Extras and his first three stand-ups are sublime. I'm a massive Ricky Gervais fan. He just majorly let me down on this latest tour. But that doesn't diminish all my earned respect on him. It'd be like totally disregarding Em after Encore.


Encore was awesome to me, so there was no way I'd ever lose respect for Eminem because of that album.

Anyways, yeah. I forgot what I was gonna say there... :unsure:

Wow, I was gonna post, but you responded with another essay, so now my original post would have just looked short and cheap. Um...

I think you're putting too much thought into a collaboration between them. Eminem likes shit that is just funny. Like Crank Yankers or South Park. Give him a phonebook, a camera, and a few puppets, and he'll be straight.


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Re: Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

Postby EminemBase » Jul 1st, '10, 02:52

@trinell05 - I'm not putting too much thought into it.

Em may like those shows, Gervais does too. He may also be immature in those respects but since he began he's been using character-play to reflect society back at itself, defending himself with irony and self-deprecation.

That is exactly what Gervais does. Purposely touching on taboo subjects knowing it will create controversy, but coming from a good place. Purposely appearing sexist or, in the wrong, in his art to poke fun at the attitudes of people like that. Exposing it.

That's what Em does. Although in a slightly different light as Em more-so began doing this as a reaction to backlash and misunderstanding. But they're doing the same things artistically, just with different intentions.
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Re: Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

Postby SliK » Jul 1st, '10, 02:57

A lot of things (including a decline in the quality of Eminem's music) have changed since 2004.
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Re: Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

Postby 77o77 » Jul 1st, '10, 02:59

EminemBase wrote:@trinell05 - I'm not putting too much thought into it.

Em may like those shows, Gervais does too. He may also be immature in those respects but since he began he's been using character-play to reflect society back at itself, defending himself with irony and self-deprecation.

That is exactly what Gervais does. Purposely touching on taboo subjects knowing it will create controversy, but coming from a good place. Purposely appearing sexist or, in the wrong, in his art to poke fun at the attitudes of people like that. Exposing it.

That's what Em does. Although in a slightly different light as Em more-so began doing this as a reaction to backlash and misunderstanding. But they're doing the same things artistically, just with different intentions.


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Re: Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

Postby EminemBase » Jul 1st, '10, 03:02

^ That's not too much thought.

I'm just explaining myself properly.

But all that I'm explaining is why I think they're a match. And the reasoning is simple and valid. It's not over-analytical as suggested. It's basic.
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Re: Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

Postby Heffernan » Jul 1st, '10, 03:17

^^^^^^^^^^^eminem has said at least a million times [as im sure most of u will remember] he refuses to ever collaborate with someone who has ever ran over a little girl on a bike





back to the topic.... ricky gervais is the man....i prefer the US version of the office 100% more...

but he is great in the UK version, and the invention of lying was amazing IMO....great story...and still mad funny


this would be really cool



maybe gervais can pull some strings with the US version..and get eminem to replace steve carrell after he leaves next season :8)

(joke...but thatd be pretty funny to see eminem do some comedy acting)
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Re: Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

Postby EminemBase » Jul 1st, '10, 03:23

trinell05 wrote:Well, in that case, I should collaborate with Eminem. We both grew up with horrible fathers and got picked on for being white. (I'm light-skinned, so it fits) We've both been through some completely low points in our lives as well, including the loss of a loved one, and an overdose that led to both of us having an epiphany. We both realized that we shouldn't waste this life, with all these of people who love us so much and want us to succeed. We both dated assholes who were so oblivious to their lack of relevance in society and occasionally, you will hear us take shots at them. (Tre, your music sucks and that fact that you wrote a song about me to try to get famous, is fuckin low, yet I love it because that's what Eminem would do and I would kill for you even though your fingers are like swollen sausages and you suck so bad in bed that I faked everything. EVERYTHING all the time) We both have this amazing presence on stage that appears to be completely different to how we are in person most of the time, which is mostly shy and quiet, unless we're in a comfort zone with friends and family. We both had to kill our alter egos at some point... :unsure: I ran over a little girl with a bike once. Both of our names start with the letter M. We are both left-handed. Eminem likes blue. I have a blue car.


So...you see, anyone could collab with Eminem. :coffee:


Now you're just trying way too hard to disagree with me for the sake of it. Get over yourself.

Your attempts to highlight my opinions as interchangeable and delusional continue to miss the mark. You're now comparing elements of your personal life or people's behavioural traits and trying to make a point out of that. As if I'm fabricating or comparing arbitrary things.

When in reality, all that I have compared is what they do artistically. Which is poke fun at the attitudes of society, use tongue-in-cheek, accept no true compromises in their style and make controversialist material to inflame conversation.

Those points are absolutely obvious trademarks in their work. And since we're talking about them collaborating on an artistic project, those are the things that matter. Where as you mentioned personable issues, genetic traits outside of their control or indirectly related to their intent and ridiculous, precarious facts totally unrelated. Trying to be smart-ass. Fail.
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Re: Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

Postby EminemBase » Jul 1st, '10, 03:32

^ No it's called you trying to break me down and 'expose' me in front of people.

But failing very badly as you can't effectively sum me up, or use sarcasm well. Or in a funny way. It's sarcasm yes but used badly.

Just randomly insulting me and because I proved everything you said to be rubbish you just use the "Oh I was just joking" defence. Get fucked, stupid slut.
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Re: Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

Postby Shit Can Happen » Jul 1st, '10, 03:34

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Re: Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

Postby 77o77 » Jul 1st, '10, 03:39

EminemBase wrote:^ That's not too much thought.

I'm just explaining myself properly.

But all that I'm explaining is why I think they're a match. And the reasoning is simple and valid. It's not over-analytical as suggested. It's basic.


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Re: Ricky Gervais' Offer to Eminem

Postby Shit Can Happen » Jul 1st, '10, 03:43

trinell05 wrote:And what in the hell is wrong with using "I was joking" as an defense? It works every time for me. :unsure:

Edit: oops, I spelled a word wrong. Wouldn't want to get massacred over that.

Additionally, you said "an defense" instead of "a defense."




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So on and so forth.
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