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Re: He's got to realize that his best stuff comes from confl

Postby katha » Nov 11th, '10, 14:33

I agree. He thrives when he can lash out at bullshit being said about him, done to him etc. But hasn't he also said somewhere that he's not sure if he will do another album at all? Think I remember something like that...So he must realize that this severely limits him: Either he finds new topics, he becomes boring or he stops completely.

Perhaps this is a phase? He's clean and tries to keep his life under control. He might be scared that "starting battles" of any kind might throw him off balance again?
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Re: He's got to realize that his best stuff comes from confl

Postby EminemBase » Nov 11th, '10, 14:37

I agree and The Marshall Mathers LP is reactionary genius.

But, I don't think he's unaware of this. He's still trying to sound as shocking as he was but now it's lost its sting as he's understood as a person, back then he wasn't.

So I also think basing his art off of reaction now will be fighting a losing battle. As no matter what he says, he'll never replicate the type of reaction / outrage he got back in 99/00 when he was new and misunderstood.

He's still misunderstood by a lot of morons now but the difference is, he's far too used to, to cause a real stir. They've realized they can't stop him on the account of free-speech.

So all that taken into account, no matter what conflict he has now - it'll seem coarse and tiny in comparison and therefore just a botch attempt at re-creating what once was, and never as good on any level. He's a supremely talented lyricist regardless, so he needs to find a new angle now. And I don't believe the solution to this stale spot in creativity is to start aimless beefs with other rappers. It may produce a great diss track but it's not a true solution on where to go next.
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Re: He's got to realize that his best stuff comes from confl

Postby Cecilia21 » Nov 11th, '10, 14:42

Agree. and I hope this is only a phase... now he thinks everybody is dope :shifty: BORING!!!!! I need something else from him. I dont know if he is being sarcastic when he says he admires people like drake and lil wayne (I hope so) but is just weird. I guess he is more mature now and doesnt care about beefs anymore.

EDIT: Altough last year he made this song called "the warning" mmmmmm Im not losing my faith just yet
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Re: He's got to realize that his best stuff comes from confl

Postby M+M » Nov 11th, '10, 14:48

He could still keep his old mentality and energy without conflict
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Re: He's got to realize that his best stuff comes from confl

Postby Elision » Nov 11th, '10, 14:53

Well Em's definitely not the type to pick targets. And going at Em is career suicide. So it's like... What do you do, you know?
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Re: He's got to realize that his best stuff comes from confl

Postby xxTrigger1989xx » Nov 11th, '10, 15:37

Amadeo wrote:I'm not saying he should just diss people out of nowhere.

I'm saying he should fight back at those who are giving him shit. Wait for someone to attack then retaliate. That's always been his MO... well, until now.


I hate to say this, but I would like Em to respond to Nick Cannon, just for the sake of going at someone. And Nick seems to be the only person dumb enough these days to go after him, Em would rip him to shreds like he already did on The Warning. THAT was a great fucking diss track
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Re: He's got to realize that his best stuff comes from confl

Postby kiki » Nov 11th, '10, 16:16

He does realize this...in 2003 or so he said "I need drama in my life" referring to how he writes the best stuff. However, I'd rather have him SUCK at his music and be happy for his own sake.
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Re: He's got to realize that his best stuff comes from confl

Postby EminemBase » Nov 11th, '10, 17:02

Amadeo wrote:I'm not saying he should just diss people out of nowhere.

I'm saying he should fight back at those who are giving him shit. Wait for someone to attack then retaliate. That's always been his MO... well, until now.


Yeah that may be entertaining for MC battling. To produce some good diss tracks.

But I don't think he should go that route with future album material as like I said, he will never get that same pushback he got in 00, no matter what he says. So any attempt will result in lesser material.

It's been his bread and butter for so long, he should think of new ideas / directions.
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Re: He's got to realize that his best stuff comes from confl

Postby Alaine » Nov 11th, '10, 17:05

if he responded once, he'll have to respond all because even people who doesn't have personal conflicts will start attracting him for attention. Besides, he's earned his spot in the game today, he deserved to be respected by the youngters in the game, he doesn't need to lower his status to respond to those, if someone at the same level with him (nas, jay) diss him he will have answers for sure, but just not anyone went at him deserve to get a respond.
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Re: He's got to realize that his best stuff comes from confl

Postby Tornado » Nov 11th, '10, 18:50

Something in Em has changed mentally fromm the 00 era. He would attack Britney, Justin etc and that Em would be dissing Bieber, Drake, Gaga but now we've got a 12-Rated Em at worst. Although i feel if someone really dissed him hard and went after his daughters, then who knows. No one mainstream would do it and anyone half decent from the underground would rip Em apart with so many points
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Re: He's got to realize that his best stuff comes from confl

Postby Emshady2 » Nov 11th, '10, 19:10

Tornado wrote:Something in Em has changed mentally fromm the 00 era. He would attack Britney, Justin etc and that Em would be dissing Bieber, Drake, Gaga but now we've got a 12-Rated Em at worst. Although i feel if someone really dissed him hard and went after his daughters, then who knows. No one mainstream would do it and anyone half decent from the underground would rip Em apart with so many points


Underground rappers are good but I still think EM will win .
He is still one of the best rappers even if he is mainstream. His vocalbury is so good :D
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Re: He's got to realize that his best stuff comes from confl

Postby EminemBase » Nov 11th, '10, 19:28

Tornado wrote:Something in Em has changed mentally fromm the 00 era. He would attack Britney, Justin etc and that Em would be dissing Bieber, Drake, Gaga but now we've got a 12-Rated Em at worst. Although i feel if someone really dissed him hard and went after his daughters, then who knows. No one mainstream would do it and anyone half decent from the underground would rip Em apart with so many points


Yeah but in logical defence of that - The true reason he was insulting all them back then, was to separate himself from them. To stop the media lumping him in with them, not because he had such deep personal vendettas against the people themselves.

There were exceptions like Christinia and Moby but for the most part it was for the sake of making sure he remained defined as a rapper not a pop star.

Now that he's firmly solidified himself as a lyricist, rapper and hip-hop artists in the books, there's no reason for him to do that now. He did it on Relapse but it was in a nostalgic way, just for the sake of harping back to that era and having people with baggage to chop up.

And, as much as I dislike Drake, he's not in the same category as Britney Spears lmao. BUT, Em does sometimes exercise double-standards. Like for example saying no more beef and it's stupid etc. but then releasing a scathing diss (instantly) against Mariah, for her responding to age-old shit HE fucking brought back up lmao.

N' then just totally ignores Canibus. Who did in fact mention Proof and Hailie. Just act like he's too big for it, yet isn't too big to keep hashing back and forth with a washed up slag about a supposed affair a decade ago.

N' Bis' inclusion of that recording on that track was a nice move. The diss is crap but that recording shows Em contradicting himself for not responding. Saying that no matter how big he gets, whoever you are - Big or small, he will respond to you.
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Re: He's got to realize that his best stuff comes from confl

Postby Alaine » Nov 11th, '10, 19:40

He IS too big for Canibus. Mariah has a song dissing him on heavy radio rotation with a video that slaps straight to his face while the only places discuss Canibus's diss song are probably here & youtube, of course he knows what's gonna affect him more/

and lol@people wanting him to diss pop stars :facepalm Most people gave him a pass 10 years ago because he was young & new to the game, now, after 10 years, he's a veteran, if he dissed the new ones it'll be just bullying
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Re: He's got to realize that his best stuff comes from confl

Postby flyingmonkey10 » Nov 11th, '10, 19:42

get him to start smoking some ganja again. problem solved. :smoking:

another thing, straight up he was reppin slim shady mostly back then when he was bashing out on other artists and not giving a fuck. i highly doubt we're ever getting that shady back but we still got eminem and marshall.
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Re: He's got to realize that his best stuff comes from confl

Postby Emshady2 » Nov 11th, '10, 20:00

***** wrote:
Emshady2 wrote:
Underground rappers are good but I still think EM will win .
He is still one of the best rappers even if he is mainstream. His vocalbury is so good :D


i lol'd :laughing:

but IMO I think Eminem would still make a diss track, he says a lot of things and does otherwise


Okay. Since eminem got discovered , which underground rapper has been better. If they are better ,one of them should get famous and say he is the best rapper alive. But since eminem became a rapper none of the underground rappers has been discovered that is better then eminem .
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