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Re: Where do you rank Lil Wayne in the All time list?

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Re: Where do you rank Lil Wayne in the All time list?

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Dec 22nd, '10, 18:27

Hiphopdane wrote:Top 1000 for sure.

http://rap.about.com/od/toppicks/ss/Top50Emcees.htm


this list is actualy really dumb and bogus.

Eminem number 13

Ice cube and slick rick and chuck D (dont know him) and 2 pac and fuckin jay-z and scarface (C'mon SON)
biggie can flow and he all dope but he aint on Em's skill level

nas same as biggie,big daddy kane is iight i guess,never gave KRS a chance,rakim is dope but still not like Em.
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Re: Where do you rank Lil Wayne in the All time list?

Postby Master Chief » Dec 22nd, '10, 18:44

Devil'sAdvocate wrote:
Hiphopdane wrote:Top 1000 for sure.

http://rap.about.com/od/toppicks/ss/Top50Emcees.htm


this list is actualy really dumb and bogus.

Eminem number 13

Ice cube and slick rick and chuck D (dont know him) and 2 pac and fuckin jay-z and scarface (C'mon SON)
biggie can flow and he all dope but he aint on Em's skill level

nas same as biggie,big daddy kane is iight i guess,never gave KRS a chance,rakim is dope but still not like Em.

SMH @ Scarface, Slick Rick & KRS :shakehead:

Eminem is better than them EASILY.
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Re: Where do you rank Lil Wayne in the All time list?

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Dec 22nd, '10, 19:03

public enemy are shit IMO!

@master chief

they got fuckin ice cube ahead of Em

thats a disgrace,and yea tupac got the fuckin message and hes cool and all.

but his rapping skill isnt impressive.
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Re: Where do you rank Lil Wayne in the All time list?

Postby Hiphopdane » Dec 22nd, '10, 19:07

I wonder if Devil's advocate actually listens to any of those rappers he just said aint better than Eminem.
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Re: Where do you rank Lil Wayne in the All time list?

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Dec 22nd, '10, 19:12

Hiphopdane wrote:I wonder if Devil's advocate actually listens to any of those rappers he just said aint better than Eminem.


dont pull shit outta your ass bro

cuz i do listen to them.
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Re: Where do you rank Lil Wayne in the All time list?

Postby Hiphopdane » Dec 22nd, '10, 19:17

Hard to believe! :D

Devil'sAdvocate wrote:
....and chuck D (dont know him)



Minutes later...

Devil'sAdvocate wrote:public enemy are shit IMO!


:y:

And I'm not wasting more time on you. Just needed a good laugh, it's the internet after all.
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Re: Where do you rank Lil Wayne in the All time list?

Postby Devil'sAdvocate » Dec 22nd, '10, 19:26

i dont listen to public enemy,i do have their "it takes....." album but when i tried it i hated it,anyway u were the one who went fried on my ass,and yea,sorry bro. :flower:
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Re: Where do you rank Lil Wayne in the All time list?

Postby Raids-God » Dec 22nd, '10, 21:51

The "Theres a Poison" Album goes hard :worship:
But the rest of There shit is a lil Predictable
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Re: Where do you rank Lil Wayne in the All time list?

Postby EM1973 » Dec 22nd, '10, 22:13

LilWayne4Life wrote:
He may not be the best in any or all categories (flow, lyrics, delivery etc..) But hes good in every category so that makes up for the lack of "greatness" some may say. Wayne is the only rapper i listen to that i NEVER get tired of hearing, his presence in the booth, on stage, and even in interviews is undeniable and great, that's part of the reason why i got into his music.

His work ethic is unmatched especially if you look at his background, Recorded over 3000 verses and hooks and has over 1750 records and over a thousand unreleased material. Some people may say quality over quality but he release more good music then bad so that term is irrelevant in this sense.

His music is diverse and different from the rest, people may say he sold out by creating pop, rock and other genres of music but if you look at how diverse and different his fanbase is all he is doing is creating music for everyone to enjoy and to maintain his fanbase. I find it funny when people say all wayne talks about is "money, drugs, cars" "he isn't real" in order to be real you have to talk about the struggles and hard times even when that isn't your life? If anything wayne is talking about his life and things surrendering it even if that's money, drugs, cars so that would make him "real"

His lyrics has always been dope, even though every album and or mixtape he does his style changes. The people that doesn't understand or connect in a way with his lyrics automatically label him as "wack" but how can something be wack when you don't understand and comprehend it. He is the best rapper alive in punchlines bottom line, most of his punchlines usually have double entendres but if you don't normally listen to his music you wouldn't understand. He covers all aspects with his lyrics, his content is always good especially with his albums where he vents and talks about deeper stuff in his life. His Multis, internal ryhmes are always on point.

His flow and delivery is good but what makes it great to me is his ability to switch up and create different flows to ride and go with different beats. He has a different style and flow to any beat someone throws at him imo. His delivery is always on point and unique to other artists.

Wayne may have the greatest mixtape list then anyone alive, all of his official mixtapes are labeled as classics or borderline classic to most if not all hip hop critics and reviewers. All his albums are different in terms of style, flow, content and that's why it's hard to compare them but the carter series have always delivered from the street wayne to lyrical wayne to mainstream wayne (c1, c2 ,c3)

There's only a handful of rappers who has been relevant since the '90's and are still able to sell and month after month and have there fanbase increase as well. The idiots that always say it took wayne 12 years to go mainstream or sell alot there only displaying there ignorance, how many rappers can you name have there popularity increase after years? a handful because most become irrelevant by there 2nd or 3rd album.

Wayne is probably the biggest reason and influenced for hip hop's evolution and what it is today. Most young people dress, talk and want to rap like wayne (if not wayne the other reason for hip hop's changed, kanye) When people mention greats they say "hes gonna be the next wayne, jay or eminem" You don't get compared like that because your mainstream. You get that recognition when you become one of the greats.

Sales? His first album at age 15 went double platinum in months. all his album are platinum besides for 3 (two of which is because they have been released this year while he was in jail and had no promotion) but all 3 are still gold and will be platinum in a matter of time. Tha carter 2 is double platinum in the U.S and sold over 2.7 million WW. Carter 3 went platinum in a week and has sold over 3.7 million in the united states as of this week and over 4.5 million WW. from this time last year him and his team (young money) released 5 albums. 1 is platinum (1.3 mill) and the rest are gold with sales of 568k (pink friday, came out 3 weeks ago) 607k (IANAHB) 735k (Rebirth) 678k (We are young money) In a year young money has sold over 3.8 million albums (1 million+ from wayne in prison) In total wayne has sold over 19 million records and over 12 million singles and those number will only increase when C4 comes around.

people wanted my perceptive of wayne, there you got it :smoking:

Ok.
Now you said that he is Top-3 ever
Let's start and wait for answers.

From who of them is Lil Wayne greater?

Lil Wayne vs Eminem
Lil Wayne vs Rakim
Lil Wayne vs Nas
Lil Wayne vs Tupac
Lil Wayne vs Biggie Smalls
Lil Wayne vs Jay-Z
Lil Wayne vs LL Cool J
Lil Wayne vs Andre 3000.

I can name and other but I stop here.
You said that he is Top3 ever,right?From who of them is Lil Wayne Greater/better?
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Re: Where do you rank Lil Wayne in the All time list?

Postby Master Chief » Dec 22nd, '10, 22:16

Stop mentioning LL Cool J. He's not that good for Christ's sake :facepalm
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Re: Where do you rank Lil Wayne in the All time list?

Postby EM1973 » Dec 22nd, '10, 22:27

Master Chief wrote:Stop mentioning LL Cool J. He's not that good for Christ's sake :facepalm

WTF are you talking about??
I'm not a fan of him but he is one of the Greatest with a GOAT candidate album Mama Said knock you out.
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Re: Where do you rank Lil Wayne in the All time list?

Postby dead prez » Dec 22nd, '10, 22:29

LilWayne4Life wrote:He may not be the best in any or all categories (flow, lyrics, delivery etc..) But hes good in every category so that makes up for the lack of "greatness" some may say. Wayne is the only rapper i listen to that i NEVER get tired of hearing, his presence in the booth, on stage, and even in interviews is undeniable and great, that's part of the reason why i got into his music.


So basically his swag?

His work ethic is unmatched especially if you look at his background, Recorded over 3000 verses and hooks and has over 1750 records and over a thousand unreleased material. Some people may say quality over quality but he release more good music then bad so that term is irrelevant in this sense.


Quality over quantity,Outkast only has a few albums under their belt for the long time they've been in the game but have no medicore albums at all and quite a few classics.

I will give him that his workload is immense and impressive and people tend to overlook the amount of shit he puts out. Only thing I don't like is how he raps for real on the mixtapes, but a lot of his albums blow.

His music is diverse and different from the rest, people may say he sold out by creating pop, rock and other genres of music but if you look at how diverse and different his fanbase is all he is doing is creating music for everyone to enjoy and to maintain his fanbase. I find it funny when people say all wayne talks about is "money, drugs, cars"


Not really he fits the rapper stereotype to a T sans a few exceptions. He was worse than Biggie in that regard, but Biggie did it with. I have no problems with rappers being materialistic (Jay Z, Mobb Deep, Biggie, Pun) but you need to be good at it

that would make him "real"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW_GpBM_Qc4

His lyrics has always been dope, even though every album and or mixtape he does his style changes. The people that doesn't understand or connect in a way with his lyrics automatically label him as "wack" but how can something be wack when you don't understand and comprehend it. He is the best rapper alive in punchlines bottom line, most of his punchlines usually have double entendres but if you don't normally listen to his music you wouldn't understand. He covers all aspects with his lyrics, his content is always good especially with his albums where he vents and talks about deeper stuff in his life. His Multis, internal ryhmes are always on point.


Lol, at him being a complex lyricist, he gets underrated at times but let's not push it.

His flow and delivery is good but what makes it great to me is his ability to switch up and create different flows to ride and go with different beats. He has a different style and flow to any beat someone throws at him imo. His delivery is always on point and unique to other artists.


So do Eminem, Andre, and a shit ton of other artists.

Wayne may have the greatest mixtape list then anyone alive, all of his official mixtapes are labeled as classics or borderline classic to most if not all hip hop critics and reviewers. All his albums are different in terms of style, flow, content and that's why it's hard to compare them but the carter series have always delivered from the street wayne to lyrical wayne to mainstream wayne (c1, c2 ,c3)


I dislike pseudo albums as being the main way to showcase a rapper's skill, rather than being the side bonuses they used to be

There's only a handful of rappers who has been relevant since the '90's and are still able to sell and month after month and have there fanbase increase as well.

......

The idiots that always say it took wayne 12 years to go mainstream or sell alot there only displaying there ignorance, how many rappers can you name have there popularity increase after years? a handful because most become irrelevant by there 2nd or 3rd album.


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Wayne is probably the biggest reason and influenced for hip hop's evolution and what it is today. Most young people dress, talk and want to rap like wayne

Is that supposed to be a good thing, all you're giving mainstream appeal which I don't give a shit about rather than his rapping skills.
(if not wayne the other reason for hip hop's changed, kanye) When people mention greats they say "hes gonna be the next wayne, jay or eminem" You don't get compared like that because your mainstream. You get that recognition when you become one of the greats.


Barely anone says the next Eminem, unless the rapper's white, and gee maybe it's cause they're the most famous rappers.

Sales? His first album at age 15 went double platinum in months. all his album are platinum besides for 3 (two of which is because they have been released this year while he was in jail and had no promotion) but all 3 are still gold and will be platinum in a matter of time. Tha carter 2 is double platinum in the U.S and sold over 2.7 million WW. Carter 3 went platinum in a week and has sold over 3.7 million in the united states as of this week and over 4.5 million WW. from this time last year him and his team (young money) released 5 albums. 1 is platinum (1.3 mill) and the rest are gold with sales of 568k (pink friday, came out 3 weeks ago) 607k (IANAHB) 735k (Rebirth) 678k (We are young money) In a year young money has sold over 3.8 million albums (1 million+ from wayne in prison) In total wayne has sold over 19 million records and over 12 million singles and those number will only increase when C4 comes around.


Going by this logic 50 cent and Mc hammer would be great rappers as well.

people wanted my perceptive of wayne, there you got it :smoking:


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Re: Where do you rank Lil Wayne in the All time list?

Postby dead prez » Dec 22nd, '10, 22:31

Master Chief wrote:
Devil'sAdvocate wrote:
Hiphopdane wrote:Top 1000 for sure.

http://rap.about.com/od/toppicks/ss/Top50Emcees.htm


this list is actualy really dumb and bogus.

Eminem number 13

Ice cube and slick rick and chuck D (dont know him) and 2 pac and fuckin jay-z and scarface (C'mon SON)
biggie can flow and he all dope but he aint on Em's skill level

nas same as biggie,big daddy kane is iight i guess,never gave KRS a chance,rakim is dope but still not like Em.

SMH @ Scarface, Slick Rick & KRS :shakehead:

Eminem is better than them EASILY.


No they take it on influence alone ,you just don't put someone like Eminem (or even Nas and Jay Z) against guys that changed the game in a huge way.
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Re: Where do you rank Lil Wayne in the All time list?

Postby dead prez » Dec 22nd, '10, 22:34

Devil'sAdvocate wrote:
Hiphopdane wrote:Top 1000 for sure.

http://rap.about.com/od/toppicks/ss/Top50Emcees.htm


this list is actualy really dumb and bogus.

Eminem number 13

Ice cube and slick rick and chuck D (dont know him) and 2 pac and fuckin jay-z and scarface (C'mon SON)
biggie can flow and he all dope but he aint on Em's skill level

nas same as biggie,big daddy kane is iight i guess,never gave KRS a chance,rakim is dope but still not like Em.


How do you not know who Chuck D is? And really you're pitting Em against legends who changed the game? You just don't do that (same with Nas, Jay Z, ghostface etc.)

As far as Biggie flow is just as important as "skill" and N.iggaz Bleed is one of the best storytelling tracks ever.
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