Em needs to simplify it moving forward.

[14Shots]

who gives a shit what hes rapping about whens hes yelling like a retard?

and some of the wordplay was some shit that wayne would say.

My money says you hated Relapse at first too.

nope.

dope rhymes, versatile flows, perfect production, great storytelling and cohesive as fuck. what's to hate?

only flaw is the two lead singles.

[j04370859]

who gives a shit what hes rapping about whens hes yelling like a retard?

and some of the wordplay was some shit that wayne would say.

My money says you hated Relapse at first too.

nope.

dope rhymes, versatile flows, perfect production, great storytelling and cohesive as fuck. what's to hate?

only flaw is the two lead singles.

Do you really think just because a song has a story that makes it good most of the songs on relapse were just about raping and killing people. And some of the concepts were just random. Like I said production wise and a few of the flows tops recovery but that's all. Recovery had more meaningful songs and that one song No love tops two of the feautres on relapse.

[MikeNUFC]

I stopped when you said 'take a look at the real slim shady'

Because that song has no value.

No value? He destroys the ridiculous nature of censorship, the celebrity/pop-star culture and the perception of the Slim Shady persona in an hilarious and radio-friendly way. It's genius.

[xxTrigger1989xx]

The Real Slim Shady has a purpose...so, I don't understand how it has no value?

[14Shots]

Do you really think just because a song has a story that makes it good most of the songs on relapse were just about raping and killing people. And some of the concepts were just random. Like I said production wise and a few of the flows tops recovery but that's all. Recovery had more meaningful songs and that one song No love tops two of the feautres on relapse.

"meaningful songs"?

how many meaningful songs did MMLP have? Stan, The Way I Am, parts of Who Knew and then some random bars here and there on other songs. Do you think Recovery is better than MMLP?

[j04370859]

Do you really think just because a song has a story that makes it good most of the songs on relapse were just about raping and killing people. And some of the concepts were just random. Like I said production wise and a few of the flows tops recovery but that's all. Recovery had more meaningful songs and that one song No love tops two of the feautres on relapse.

"meaningful songs"?

how many meaningful songs did MMLP have? Stan, The Way I Am, parts of Who Knew and then some random bars here and there on other songs. Do you think Recovery is better than MMLP?

Stan, real slim shady, way i am, who knew, criminal, kim, drug ballad, marshall mathers and i'm back if your saying they had no meaning then its clear you don't listen to lyrics.

[Jim_Halpert]

nope.

dope rhymes, versatile flows, perfect production, great storytelling and cohesive as fuck. what's to hate?

only flaw is the two lead singles.

Do you really think just because a song has a story that makes it good most of the songs on relapse were just about raping and killing people. And some of the concepts were just random. Like I said production wise and a few of the flows tops recovery but that's all. Recovery had more meaningful songs and that one song No love tops two of the feautres on relapse.

kinda how i see it. relapse had better "top" songs, better flows, etc,but it was just all over/random stuff. like underground, it was great rhyming wise, and production, but it was just all random shit put together. liek Em said himself, it was basically just him proving he can really rap again.I just see recovery as a more complete, all around album.

[pugi27]

simple is good. though Em can deliver some pretty awesome complicated stuff, but as of late, for me, most of it's felt like overkill.

[Jaz]

I stopped when you said 'take a look at the real slim shady'

Because that song has no value.

No value? He destroys the ridiculous nature of censorship, the celebrity/pop-star culture and the perception of the Slim Shady persona in an hilarious and radio-friendly way. It's genius.

Actually to be honest I was thinking about "My Name Is" when I wrote that, but I do hate this song as well.

[Elision]

I stopped when you said 'take a look at the real slim shady'

Because that song has no value.

No value? He destroys the ridiculous nature of censorship, the celebrity/pop-star culture and the perception of the Slim Shady persona in an hilarious and radio-friendly way. It's genius.

Actually to be honest I was thinking about "My Name Is" when I wrote that, but I do hate this song as well.

waaaay ahead of ya dawg

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[xxTrigger1989xx]

Weren't people bitching about Em's lyrics being simplified on Recovery, though? I mean, he has plenty of great lyrics, but a few of the lines people were complaining about...that shit was "simplified" and yet people didn't like it

[N.W.A.]

Just more Em and Dre production and he will be fine.

Relapse? Too much Dre starts to get boring.

Some Dre is good though.

Em, Dre, Porter, Bass Bros.

Relapse is a tough example though based on Em's style at that time. Let's hear Eminem rap over Dre beats right now and i guarantee it will be amazing.

As long as it's produced "in house". I don't think it's a coincidence we're having this discussion after Recovery, an album where Em didn't produce any tracks and Dre only produced 1.

[FreeSpeech]

I still wanna know who told Eminem that we want his punchlines to be a little more compact.

Haha apparently a shorty. Whata bitch...

[bipolar-bear]

Just more Em and Dre production and he will be fine.

Relapse? Too much Dre starts to get boring.

Some Dre is good though.

Em, Dre, Porter, Bass Bros.

I respect your opinion but disagree i feel relpase didn't have one weak beat in the slightest most consistent production on an eminem album to date even refill had some of the best beats in em's catalogue.