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[MikeNUFC]

Master Chief - if multies effect other aspects of lyricism negatively (eg. word choice, structure, narrative) to the extent in which SWA does then they can't be considered amazing multies. Of course, multies usually do effect other aspects of lyricism slightly but not to SWA's extent (see: "dancing in my red panties").

I like Stay Wide Awake, don't get me wrong. But to say it's better multies-wise than Talib Kweli's discography is dumb as shit.

I don't really mind the quality of the multis in here maybe because the quantity outweighs that

Based on that, these lines I just made up on the spot in 30 seconds...

"It's like a boulder put on my back and I can't move
The fight gets older, look to attack on these damn fools"

are amazing multies because of the quantity of them?

[dead prez]

A good example would be saying infinite has better quality multies than illmatic for example. Complete red herring yeah, but I'm sure most would agree that statement is bollocks.

[Master Chief]

Master Chief - if multies effect other aspects of lyricism negatively (eg. word choice, structure, narrative) to the extent in which SWA does then they can't be considered amazing multies. Of course, multies usually do effect other aspects of lyricism slightly but not to SWA's extent (see: "dancing in my red panties").

Even after Class explained it, I still don't see much damage on the narrative and overall story/concept of Stay Wide Awake. (Key word: much). Of course, because of the sheer amount of multis he had to sacrifice some shit but it still came out good, story-telling wise.

I like Stay Wide Awake, don't get me wrong. But to say it's better multies-wise than Talib Kweli's discography is dumb as shit.

Before you say I'm ignorant to Talib Kweli... I'm not. I've heard all of his official albums including his Reflection Eternal stuff. Admittedly, I wasn't thinking of quality when I said that. I was just thinking of amount. I will correct myself and say I believe Stay Wide Awake has more multies than Talib's discography.

I don't really mind the quality of the multis in here maybe because the quantity outweighs that

Based on that, these lines I just made up on the spot in 30 seconds...

"It's like a boulder put on my back and I can't move
The fight gets older, look to attack on these damn fools"

are amazing multies because of the quantity of them?

In SWA he rhymes like that for quite a few lines while focusing on the story and sacrificing less (again not as much as he normally could do).

In conclusion, yes the multies do affect other areas of lyricism but he can't have it all can he? Anyway, I was strictly talking about multies, not lyricism in general.

[Master Chief]

but the thing is, a multi does not make a song good unless the content that is multyrhymed is good

That doesn't make sense at all.

Eminem has made a million songs about nothing yet they get praised. I'm Back isn't really about anything, yet it gets praised for its rhyming.

[MikeNUFC]

Even after Class explained it, I still don't see much damage on the narrative and overall story/concept of Stay Wide Awake. (Key word: much). Of course, because of the sheer amount of multis he had to sacrifice some shit but it still came out good, story-telling wise.

The storytelling was decent, yes. There's not a massive amount of damage to the story/concept as a whole.

There is damage to the word choice to a ridiculous extent (I'm sure you can agree), some of the gramatical structure (quite a bit of the second verse and "Once I act like lumberjack") and the structure of the narrative at certain points - ie just a sudden switch from one point to the next, with nothing to fill in the gaps - it's just BANG BANG BANG - that's a flaw in the storytelling. .

Before you say I'm ignorant to Talib Kweli... I'm not. I've heard all of his official albums including his Reflection Eternal stuff. Admittedly, I wasn't thinking of quality when I said that. I was just thinking of amount. I will correct myself and say I believe Stay Wide Awake has more multies than Talib's discography.

I know that's true - what's your point? The two lines I posted have more multies than

"Thats why we sing for these kids who don't have a thing
Except for a dream and a fucking rap magazine"

But the multies obviously aren't better.

In SWA he rhymes like that for quite a few lines while focusing on the story and sacrificing less (again not as much as he normally could do). In conclusion, yes the multies do affect other areas of lyricism but he can't have it all can he? Anyway, I was strictly talking about multies, not lyricism in general.

I know you weren't talking about lyricism in general. But if multies are effecting other aspects of lyricism to the extent of SWA then they can't be considered as good as multies which don't effect other aspects of lyricism.

I'm still talking strictly multies - the effect they have, not just how many.

Eminem has made a million songs about nothing yet they get praised. I'm Back isn't really about anything, yet it gets praised for its rhyming.

It's coherent, has no accent to force rhymes and adresses quite a few important issues.