Satire Presents: Lupe Fiasco Appreciation/Discussion Thread

[Devil'sAdvocate]

until lupe raps with convection and steps his rhyming game up then no.

Royce > Lupe

[ThomasJ]

Royce is great, but when Lupe is on his A game, not a lot of rappers can fuck with him.

[Slim Fiasco]

^Well put.

[slimshadylappin]

But was he better than Lupe Fiasco ?

Im not going to say yes on every song, but he was better more times than not.

But most of the times Lupe Fiasco has better subject matters than Royce Da 5'9"
C'mon, most of Lupe's tracks have a point, even songs on Lasers have a point, even if the song doesn't have a subject matter there's always a story that you can learn from "The Coolest" you can learn to not be greedy, and not to aim to be the world's highest, in Hip Hop Saved My Life there's the "never give up" lesson .. these are all stories you can learn from .. leave alone tracks that are done on the same subject such as Words I Never Said and American Terrorist .. That dude can bring a point on everyone of his tracks


Off-topic : I think I'm Back > Not Afraid, but it isn't a "disgrace" that they're both mentioned in the same sentence, they're both dope but I'm Back is better than Not Afraid and that's it

Exactly

Lupe doesn't make songs for the point of making them. Even the dissapointing songs from lasers have a point. How many artists can u say this about

[Devil'sAdvocate]

Death Is Certain > any lupe album.

[dead prez]

No Royce isn't more skilled, I hate Royce's delivery especially DIC. And yes I listened to DIC and found it completely bland and generic tbh, not even trolling, not to mention I hated the production other than Premier's track.

I guess I'll give Royce flow and rhyming but that's it. as a lyricist, Lupe annihaltes Royce. Storytelling, wordplay, and concepts/substance. If double entendres count as punchlines well than this shouldn't even be a question as Failure is all you really need to point too, layered double entendres with a theme that lead to the other and isn't just pretentious pseudo garbage.

Oh and F&L is definitely an established classic, The Cool is debatable but it's not flawless and has a lot of skippable tracks, though the highpoints are definitely great.

Oh and what's this garbage about Lupe not having flow, I'm starting to think you guys believe rapping fast=good flow. Which btw Lupe can easily do.

[Master Chief]

No Royce isn't more skilled, I hate Royce's delivery especially DIC. And yes I listened to DIC and found it completely bland and generic tbh, not even trolling, not to mention I hated the production other than Premier's track.

Rolfcopter.

I guess I'll give Royce flow and rhyming but that's it. as a lyricist, Lupe annihaltes Royce. Storytelling, wordplay, and concepts/substance. If double entendres count as punchlines well than this shouldn't even be a question as Failure is all you really need to point too, layered double entendres with a theme that lead to the other and isn't just pretentious pseudo garbage.

Storytelling? First of all, have you heard Part Of Me, Murder, On The Run or Taxi Driver? I doubt it. I prefer Royce on that aspect. And guess what? All those songs touch on something important and not only his dick and his guns, a big misconception that Royce's songs are 50% about those.

Oh and F&L is definitely an established classic, The Cool is debatable but it's not flawless and has a lot of skippable tracks, though the highpoints are definitely great.

I prefer The Cool tbh. F&L isn't a classic in my eyes, The Cool is.

Oh and what's this garbage about Lupe not having flow, I'm starting to think you guys believe rapping fast=good flow. Which btw Lupe can easily do.

No one said otherwise but Lupe's flow is no match for Royce's. Lupe has a decent flow but Royce has one of the best ever (not only opinion).

Off-topic: I'll reply to your essay in GOW > Halo thread after I eat breakfast

[dead prez]

Rolfcopter.

You can laugh all you want but I was serious, I find it bland and it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Storytelling? First of all, have you heard Part Of Me, Murder, On The Run or Taxi Driver? I doubt it. I prefer Royce on that aspect. And guess what? All those songs touch on something important and not only his dick and his guns, a big misconception that Royce's songs are 50% about those.

I only listened to DIC and a few songs here and there, but I haven't listened to his whole discography. I listened to Murder and the instrumental sounded like nails on a chalkboard and was distracting as shit while trying to pay attention to the lyrics.

You want Lupe storytelling songs, how about the Cool , Sunshine, HHSML.

And I never claimed that Royce is only one of those rappers, not that I give a shit if rappers are one of those as long as they pull it off with tact.

I prefer The Cool tbh. F&L isn't a classic in my eyes, The Cool is.

And I don't consider DIC a classic, it's only opinions really. I do believe that most people prefer F&L over The Cool, and no I'm not saying that because more people prefer it that makes it classic in case anyone wants to strawman.

No one said otherwise but Lupe's flow is no match for Royce's. Lupe has a decent flow but Royce has has one of the best ever (not only opinion).

Lupe's flow is great and can switch it up whenever he wants Switch, Go Go Gadget Flow, Hurt Me Soul.

Other than the fact that Royce can rap fast, I don't see what makes him so great.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

the only thing i agree with prez about is that F&L is better than 'The Cool'

[Master Chief]

You can laugh all you want but I was serious, I find it bland and it left a bad taste in my mouth.

Can you acknowledge that it's good at least but not your cup of tea?

I only listened to DIC and a few songs here and there, but I haven't listened to his whole discography. I listened to Murder and the instrumental sounded like nails on a chalkboard and was distracting as shit while trying to pay attention to the lyrics.

You want Lupe storytelling songs, how about the Cool , Sunshine, HHSML.

And I never claimed that Royce is only one of those rappers, not that I give a shit if rappers are one of those as long as they pull it off with tact.

I can see how it can distract you but you thought it was sonically bad? You must be gay, n.igga. Oh and your extremely new to Royce. You haven't listened to Royce's peak in flow which is his recent stuff...

Yes, I've listened to those. Quite a few times. I've listened to everything Lupe has released.

I was just saying for those idiots that don't listen to music but just skim through it.

And I don't consider DIC a classic, it's only opinions really. I do believe that most people prefer F&L over The Cool, and no I'm not saying that because more people prefer it that makes it classic in case anyone wants to strawman.

Yeah I know but The Cool's highs are extremely impressive. So high, the few lows really don't do much damage to the overall album.

Lupe's flow is great and can switch it up whenever he wants Switch, Go Go Gadget Flow, Hurt Me Soul.

Other than the fact that Royce can rap fast, I don't see what makes him so great.

The thing is Lupe doesn't switch it up much. He does but not a lot.

Royce has an extremely smooth flow. I prefer his flow to Biggie's tbh. Royce can rap fast but he can rap slow too. You just haven't listened to 2007-now Royce which is when his flow became amazing. Royce Is Like flow > *

[dead prez]

Can you acknowledge that it's good at least but not your cup of tea?

Sure

I can see how it can distract you but you thought it was sonically bad? You must be gay, n.igga. Oh and your extremely new to Royce. You haven't listened to Royce's peak in flow which is his recent stuff...

Well you claimed that was one of the best Hip Hop albums, and true artists should be able to have their work appreciated without you being familiar with their craft.

i.e. Someone is new to 90s Hip Hop but can easily jump into illmatic.

And the beat Murder was distracting as fuck, the thing I liked about many of Lupe's songs (Sunshine, Daydreamin, Hurt Me Soul (no teally a storytelling song)) is how he fits the mood of the beat perfectly and doesn't have you scratch your head as to why he picked the instrumental for that song.

Yes, I've listened to those. Quite a few times. I've listened to everything Lupe has released.

Cool, have you taken the time to really sit down and listen. And I'm not saying you're one of those guys, but I can easily lie and say I listened to everything Royce put out and just google his songs when you aske me. A lot of people do that.

I was just saying for those idiots that don't listen to music but just skim through it.

True, but I personally don't give a shit if rappers are one of those as long as the execute it perfectly. Hell my favorite is duo is Mobb Deep and they're reknowned for that type of shit.

Yeah I know but The Cool's highs are extremely impressive. So high, the few lows really don't do much damage to the overall album.

But you can't call an album a classic if it has too many blemishes no matter how much the highs outweigh the lows.

The thing is Lupe doesn't switch it up much. He does but not a lot.

What are you talking about Outty 5000 is completely different from Streets on Fire, and Sunshine.

And Switch is alone a testament to the fact that he can easily switch up his flow if he wanted, hence the title track switch.

Royce has an extremely smooth flow. I prefer his flow to Biggie's tbh. Royce can rap fast but he can rap slow too. You just haven't listened to 2007-now Royce which is when his flow became amazing. Royce Is Like flow > *

I listened to DIC, which you claimed is his best album so...

And I listened to his airplanes freestyle, good flow, but I hated the content and subject matter. And I could see he's the type rapper I already won't like.

[Master Chief]

Well you claimed that was one of the best Hip Hop albums, and true artists should be able to have their work appreciated without you being familiar with their craft.

Yeah but DIC is a classic for non-technical/flow reasons. I mean, Royce has always been fantastic technically but this album is a classic for the passion/anger, production and content. Of course, it's good technically but this album isn't about that.

And the beat Murder was distracting as fuck, the thing I liked about many of Lupe's songs (Sunshine, Daydreamin, Hurt Me Soul (no teally a storytelling song)) is how he fits the mood of the beat perfectly and doesn't have you scratch your head as to why he picked the instrumental for that song.

I think the beat fit perfectly. The rain sound effects, the vocals in the background, the sad vibe.

Cool, have you taken the time to really sit down and listen. And I'm not saying you're one of those guys, but I can easily lie and say I listened to everything Royce put out and just google his songs when you aske me. A lot of people do that.

Yes. If I was at my house, I could take a screenshot of my iTunes and show you my Lupe collection and the plays the songs have. I promise you, I listened to all Lupe has released to my knowledge.

But you can't call an album a classic if it has too many blemishes no matter how much the highs outweigh the lows.

The Cool doesn't have many lows besides Go Go Gadget flow.

What are you talking about Outty 5000 is completely different from Streets on Fire, and Sunshine.

And Switch is alone a testament to the fact that he can easily switch up his flow if he wanted, hence the title track switch.

I said, he does switch his flow but not frequently.

I listened to DIC, which you claimed is his best album so...

And I listened to his airplanes freestyle, good flow, but I hated the content and subject matter. And I could see he's the type rapper I already won't like.

It is his best album but not flow/technically speaking.

The subject matter is about his rise to the top. Just making sure you know lol...

[dead prez]

Yeah but DIC is a classic for non-technical/flow reasons. I mean, Royce has always been fantastic technically but this album is a classic for the passion/anger, production and content. Of course, it's good technically but this album isn't about that.

I guess I could see what you're saying like comparing illmatc to R2D, the former being impressive technically, whears the latter shines because of Big's persona/passion on the tracks.

Though I honest to God found the production stale other than Premier's track.

I think the beat fit perfectly. The rain sound effects, the vocals in the background, the sad vibe.

It outshined him is what I mean, and I could hardly pay attention to his lyrics on the song, unless I really focus.

The Cool doesn't have many lows besides Go Go Gadget flow.

I like Go Go Gadget Flow, and I'm surprised you wouldn't as he expertly uses the rapid fire flow that you seem to like.

My gripe with the album is how poppy it sounds and it doesn't fit Lupe at all, some of the choruses ruin the songs.

The subject matter is about his rise to the top. Just making sure you know lol...

I know what the subject matter is about, I'm saying how he executes it. I'm not a fan of his punchlines, and no it has nothing to do with going over my head, I just find them tacky and corny.

He has all the technecalities down of a decent rapper, but I just find how he executes them rather bland, some of his punchlines, are corny as hell.

[slimshadylappin]

In Failure, that line about C.A.T and steamrollers literally made my face turn from
this :












to this :

Goddamn, and that Interscope line

That song itself shitted on every single Royce punchline song tbh, and it's in my top 5 favorite Lupe songs of all time.

Beautiful song

another I forgot from my list

[slimshadylappin]

My gripe with the album is how poppy it sounds and it doesn't fit Lupe at all, some of the choruses ruin the songs.

I actually find that most of the odd pop like choruses fit well with the songs. Which songs are u talking about