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Re: Infinite is a really good album!

Postby the real slim shady » Jul 23rd, '11, 20:46

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EminemBase wrote:People keep saying he's changed but make no sense. All that's changed, and which always has changed from period to period regardless, is his style, and music. He remains the same.

Thats kind of what i meant, but i would call 'Slim Shady' a style, like i would call 'eminem' a style. what i'm saying, is that songs like spacebound are different to, say, go to sleep. This is the different styles/ personas/ alter egos that marshal uses, and recently it seems he has been eminem more than slim shady. He has been less agressive in his lyrics, and the beats he has used dont sound as 'aggresive'. Sure, he didnt make the beats himself, but hopefully you get what im trying to say. (I know what im trying to say, i just don't know how to say it)

But i do agree, that he is the same person in all his albums.


But Slim Shady is not a style. It's a mindset. Slim Shady is just the angry or surreal side of Eminem, that's transcendent of style. Slim Shady is not a rap style.

On "Almost Famous", when Em says "I stuck my dick in this game like a rapist, they call me Slim Rothelsberger" - you think that's not Shady? it isn't a clear definition. It's just a part of him, a side to him, that he's given a name and because of that people think it's one thing.

People only think there's a strict definition or separation due to his zany singles. All they did was exploit and exaggerate his Shady side and put it into a song format. But on those songs, he still says things 'as Eminem' and 'as Marshall' too. It's part of him.

And of all things, how the hell can you say he's been less aggressive lmfao. Are you kidding me? are you even listening to him lately. He's more aggressive than ever. I think what you might mean is he's not as good. But he's aggressive as fuck.

Back in the day he was usually aggressive when he had a reason or for a story or something, now he's aggressive like he's addicted to aggression and for its own sake. "Cold Wind Blows" and "Almost Famous" are two of his most aggressive songs ever, period.

And listen to him on Hell: The Sequel, "OUTLANDISH!!!! THESE WORDS ARE WEAPONS THAT I BRANDISH!!!" (eyes pop out of head). Whether you like his new styles or not is total preference but at least characterize what he's doing properly. As saying he's not aggressive now is so incorrect. He's so aggressive that he's had to start taking the piss out of his own aggression ("slut this!, slut that! learn the words to the song!) and basically busts a blood vessel every time he raps.


Il give you that one, some of his newer songs are pretty angry, but he doesnt stick to one 'mindset' throughout an album, i was saying that on average, he seemed to do calmer songs in recovery; not all the time, but i'd say just over 50%. Songs like 'Lighters' (not on recovery... oh well), 'Spacebound' and 'youre never over' seem a bit calmer. I would mention 'difficult' but thats a bit of a one off, so im not really going to count it.

In HTS he did seem more angry, so maybe recovery was a one off, but Recovery he did seem a bit calmer. To me anyway.

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Re: Infinite is a really good album!

Postby the real slim shady » Jul 23rd, '11, 20:47

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Re: Infinite is a really good album!

Postby SG. » Jul 23rd, '11, 21:07

At least Mr. Porter has improved a lot since this.
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Re: Infinite is a really good album!

Postby EminemBase » Jul 23rd, '11, 21:09

the real slim shady wrote:Il give you that one, some of his newer songs are pretty angry, but he doesnt stick to one 'mindset' throughout an album, i was saying that on average, he seemed to do calmer songs in recovery; not all the time, but i'd say just over 50%. Songs like 'Lighters' (not on recovery... oh well), 'Spacebound' and 'youre never over' seem a bit calmer. I would mention 'difficult' but thats a bit of a one off, so im not really going to count it.

In HTS he did seem more angry, so maybe recovery was a one off, but Recovery he did seem a bit calmer. To me anyway.

This is an arguement i cant see myself winning, but im gonna keep going.


I disagree. I think people walk away from Recovery with this illusion he was calmer or softer due to the fact there are pop singers and rock samples.

It's the production / music that it softer, not Eminem.

Let's go through the songs then...

Cold Wind Blows
Clearly you must agree this song is angry as hell. In no way calm.

Talkin' 2 Myself
An introspective song, but pretty aggressive introspection at that. He calls himself out on a lot of bullshit and basically raps every verse like he's dying for a shit and has to finish.

On Fire
A battle rap track. Very aimlessly aggressive and lyrical. Not calm.

Won't Back Down
I think even a deaf person could hear the aggression in this track. The opposite of calm.

W.T.P.
Bit of a silly party / story track, zany antics. But again, just take some of the lyrics, "I'LL BE DAMNED IF I FEED A CHICK! IT AIN'T LIKE ME TO SPLIT A PIECE OF DRY PETA!!". Very aggressive and OTT, and spiteful. And funny by the way, that like makes me fucking chuckle.

Going Through Changes
Another introspective track. Quite emotional and genuine, not much aggression due to the context (why would there be), but would hardly call it calm either.

Not Afraid
More introspection, this time in the vein of an anthemic triumph. Again, I really cannot see how anybody hearing him spit on this could call it calm. Maybe you're wanting to say he's more mature? he's less surreal and more real world. But very aggressive still ("forget the Earth, he's got the urge to pull his dick from the dirt, and fuck the whole Universe!").

Sedution
Basically just more battle lyrics in a different context. And by their very nature battle raps are often aggressive. Sounds very alert and aggressive here, ("Try to salvage something to see if you can save any of it, punk, but none of it's fucking with me! Prick, you really feeling that bullshit? You think you killing them syllables? Quit playing!").

No Love
A mix of battle and introspection lyrics, just another triumph type track. Again, the opposite of calm really, he's assertive and in your face ("They call me a freak cause I like to spit on these pussies 'fore I eat em!") - that, calm?

Space Bound
Again, maybe it's just these hooks and the production that's making you think 'calm' but how in the world could you call Eminem's performances calm. On this track he strangles a woman to death and then shoots himself in the head. In what kind of bizarro world is that 'calm' behaviour. And his lyricism isn't calm either. It starts off so maybe but gets intense.

Cinderella Man
No one in their right mind could seriously call this calm either. More battle lyrics in the context of a nice concept. "How fucking irritated are you? HOW MUCH IN YOUR FACE AM I!!".

25 to Life
AGAIN, this track is SO aggressive. Brilliant concept, that has been done before of course (Common) but executed well here. But, man, his lyricism and delivery are very aggressive. Don't know how in the world you could perceive tracks like this as calm.

So Bad
Calmer delivery (for Em) but more dark lyrics. Acting as the weirdo creep womanizer who mistreats his dates again, any mindset in this vein is surely aggressive.

Almost Famous
So aggressive that the track sounds alive. It's like going ten rounds with Tyson. In fact, this may be his most aggressive track... ever.

Love the Way You Lie
A song about domestic violence. Utilizing an uncomfortable Rihanna guest spot (due to the context), the only thing soft about this song is Rihanna (which actually makes it darker when you appreciate it) and the production. But Em here, very aggressive once again.

You're Never Over
Dedication to Proof. And, despite the context which you may expect to be downbeat and calm, I mean... the one track you'd expect to be calm is this one, yet it's aggressive once again. He starts out battle-rapping and ends celebrating Proof's memory. But his delivery and execution are once again, very alert and aggressive. Opposite of calm.

Untitled
And finally, more angry, aggressive... aimlessly violent lyrics.

So despite you saying 'MOST' (most? seriously?) of Recovery is 'calm', I was unable to find a single track of the album which given my understanding of the word calm, I could properly or normally define as calm, in any way. Recovery is alert, assertive, loud and aggressive.

He uses pop stars and softer beats. But his lyricism and rapping are more aggressive than ever, in fact. As one critic rightfully said "It may be flawed and the rapper’s attitude is sometimes one step ahead of his output, but he hasn’t sounded this unfiltered and proud since The Marshall Mathers LP".

I think people are so wishful for the urge to say it's soft or not the same due to the production and guest spots. And whilst I don't favour those elements either, there is no way you can justify calling Eminem on Recovery calm, in any way lmao.

In fact, I'd go as far as saying it's the most aimlessly aggressive he's ever been. The Marshall Mathers LP sounded more raw and hardcore of course but his aggression was rooted in real-world reaction, he was actually doing something. Where as on Recovery, he has no true reason to be aggressive and is doing so just because he likes being aggressive, which in fact makes it MORE aggressive. As it's done for its own sake rather than for a reason.

Out of all his albums, if there's a calm one, it's Infinite or Encore. Not Recovery.
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Re: Infinite is a really good album!

Postby the real slim shady » Jul 23rd, '11, 21:55

if i said mature instead of calm then...
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Re: Infinite is a really good album!

Postby EminemBase » Jul 23rd, '11, 22:07

the real slim shady wrote:if i said mature instead of calm then...


Still wouldn't really work.

He's mature in spots and very immature in others. As always.

On The Slim Shady LP you could say he was mature on "Rock Bottom" due to how sincere and genuine he was being about his emotions and struggle.

On The Marshall Mathers LP, you could say he was being mature at the end of "Stan" by making his stance on his lyrics known and advising people to not take them too seriously.

On The Eminem Show you could definitely say he was a lot more mature in general, by confronting hypocrisy and censorship face to face, tackling more adult subject-matter and by showing vulnerability in respects to his life, fame, mentality and child.

On Encore you could say he was mature on songs like "Mosh" for urging people to use their power to vote for the greater good, or on "Mockingbird" for singing an ode to his daughter, or even on "Crazy In Love" in the way he realistically expresses his neediness and weaknesses.

On Relapse, he was basically a character throughout, it was an indulgence.

On Recovery, he was mature when he promised to raise his kids and create no more drama. But then he was very immature when he said things like "Now look you little slut-cunt-whore". And throughout most of the album he was immature.

People talk about Recovery, even Royce etc. like it was a very grown up album confronting daemons but it's only on... "Talkin' 2 Myself", "Going Through Changes" and "Not Afraid" that he truly does that. Everywhere else he's either telling people to fuck off, suck his cock or hating women. Hardly mature is it. People are disillusioned by the few instances of honesty.

And he's always had a few spots of honesty in amongst the provocation and nastiness.

He's sounds more adult as a writer with his lyricism on "Space Bound" and "Cinderella Man" but that's because he's 37 years of age. So why on Earth would he sound the same as he did when he was 27, 28 or 29? I think it'd reflect poorly on his ability to evolve if he did.

So again, the only thing that changed about him on Recovery was his style. As it does every single album. He still hates women, he's still mad at the world, he still doesn't give a fuck and will still tell you, your neighbour or anybody to suck his cock, and is still lonely and confused. As always.

His writing has a more adult structure sometimes now, but that's good. To me. I don't want to listen to a kid rapper, I want to listen to a writer. And his verse on "Take From Me" for example, when he says "I have nothing else to give you, nothing left to contribute, farewell I bid you" - that sounds so much more intelligent and cool to me than slang and youthfulness.
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Re: Infinite is a really good album!

Postby BigBangBazinga » Jul 24th, '11, 00:00

Could we start a new "500 characters, tops" rule or something. :facepalm
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Re: Infinite is a really good album!

Postby EminemBase » Jul 24th, '11, 00:23

BigBangBazinga wrote:Could we start a new "500 characters, tops" rule or something. :facepalm


Or how about a "if a post is not to your liking, just don't read it" campaign? actually I think that's already covered, under 'common sense' - section 1A: use your fucking brain.
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Re: Infinite is a really good album!

Postby the real slim shady » Jul 24th, '11, 00:41

EminemBase wrote:
BigBangBazinga wrote:Could we start a new "500 characters, tops" rule or something. :facepalm


Or how about a "if a post is not to your liking, just don't read it" campaign? actually I think that's already covered, under 'common sense' - section 1A: use your fucking brain.

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Re: Infinite is a really good album!

Postby Mr Change » Jul 24th, '11, 01:13

EminemBase wrote:
BigBangBazinga wrote:Could we start a new "500 characters, tops" rule or something. :facepalm


Or how about a "if a post is not to your liking, just don't read it" campaign? actually I think that's already covered, under 'common sense' - section 1A: use your fucking brain.


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Recovery is one of his overall most angriest albums. You can't deny that. Whether it's good or bad, whether you like it or not, he has an angry voice and tone on like every song...
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Re: Infinite is a really good album!

Postby Relapse. » Jul 24th, '11, 05:46

This album is actually one of my favorite albums. The story he tells in almost all the songs are AMAZING and are actual stories.
Backstabber
It's OK
Never 2 Far
Maxine

They're all great songs. The song Infinite though I got to say is my favorite. It's so... Raw. If that track was released again now a days with a better production; it would be legendary. His word flow, rhymes, beats and everything about the songs/album are great. I EVEN LOVE the way he sounds on that track. It's perfect. I prefer that sound over his new sound. My own personal opinion though.
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Re: Infinite is a really good album!

Postby Sam. » Jul 24th, '11, 11:28

EminemBase wrote:
BigBangBazinga wrote:Could we start a new "500 characters, tops" rule or something. :facepalm


Or how about a "if a post is not to your liking, just don't read it" campaign? actually I think that's already covered, under 'common sense' - section 1A: use your fucking brain.

don't mind his words man bbb's job here is to add nothing and to ask whether you are serious or not here are some of his recent posts :coffee:
search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=+serious&author_id=2630
5 pages .


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Re: Infinite is a really good album!

Postby BigBangBazinga » Jul 24th, '11, 12:38

MCSam wrote:
EminemBase wrote:
BigBangBazinga wrote:Could we start a new "500 characters, tops" rule or something. :facepalm


Or how about a "if a post is not to your liking, just don't read it" campaign? actually I think that's already covered, under 'common sense' - section 1A: use your fucking brain.

don't mind his words man bbb's job here is to add nothing and to ask whether you are serious or not here are some of his recent posts :coffee:
search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&keywords=+serious&author_id=2630
5 pages .


ps: i know what bbb is gone do nxt. :flower:




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Re: Infinite is a really good album!

Postby Sam. » Jul 24th, '11, 12:43

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Re: Infinite is a really good album!

Postby BigBangBazinga » Jul 24th, '11, 12:57

In my defense I've just been checking the forum every now and then for the last 3-4 weeks. Really haven't had the energy or time to make longer, more serious posts.
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