kapuhchs wrote:but many people think Em is a shitty producer

Yeah well I don't know where that comes from.
I think just like people like to call Kanye a shitty rapper... because, he's a producer first, and a rapper second. Which is the same for Em in reverse.
So because of that they intuitively discredit their second love or output a little more than they would anybody else. I think if Em was JUST a producer, he'd be rated among the best.
Most people agree
The Eminem Show is his best produced album, and HE produced it. So how can people say he's nowhere near Dre or the top producers if they think his best produced album was done by him. When his others were done by Dre and Mel Man etc.
How could anybody hear "The Way I Am" beat or "Renegade" beat and say they're not unique or above average. They're fantastic, atmospheric beats. I think his production gets under your skin more, and for his own rapping, fits better than any Dre beats.
And listen to something like "Cleanin' Out My Closet"... I can't even think of another rap producer that's come up with melodies like that which sound like instantly classic, memorable musical melodies. Even Kanye, he samples a lot and does a lot of innovative stuff with the music, but no Kanye beat ever made sticks in my head like "Cleanin' Out My Closet" or "Lose Yourself". They're so memorable and classic.