UPDATED W/ my (rough draft) essay on the morality of "Kim"

[ImHungry]

Not only he cheated on her first, but he continued doing it

"Never knew me cheating on you would come back to haunt me
But we was kids then Kim, I was only 18
That was years ago
I thought we wiped the slate clean
That's fucked up!"


Some people who got cheated on just wait for the right moment to cheat and hurt back the person who cheated on them.

Revenge is a dish best served cold.

[SliK]

Though didn't Em cheat on Kim at some point as well? I read quite a bit about it in Shady Bizzness.

Yup, multiple times.

Kim was written before he blew up though. You can hear in Kim he references cheating on her once, when they were 18.

[doris]

Some people who got cheated on just wait for the right moment to cheat and hurt back the person who cheated on them.

Very true. People think they're over it, but they're not and I think they just got caught up in that vicious circle where he cheats on her with a lot of groupies and she keeps cheating while he's on tour. So I'll say they're equal. The only difference is (in my opinion) the fact that Kim wasn't careful enough and ended up with a kid.

[trinell05]

If only you could site that "Parents" song you claimed existed...

[Jdubem]

The cheating is not at all the most important issue here when it comes to morality. It has the same issues as any horror core song only this one is personal. How about the fact that it so visciously describes (fantasizes being the better term) about killing his wife, the mother of his kid for the entire world to see including Kim and Haillie. Good luck explaining that to either one of them.

Its still a great song btw

[trinell05]

Snoop Dogg put it simply; "Who hasn't thought about killing their wife? The dude just wrote a song about it." Start your essay with that.

[Jdubem]

haha oh snoop not everyone thinks about killing their wife and plays it out in their mind so vividly like that and that wouldnt make the contents of the song morally right anyway

[trinell05]

haha oh snoop not everyone thinks about killing their wife and plays it out in their mind so vividly like that and that wouldnt make the contents of the song morally right anyway

I honestly see no problem with a song about killing Kim.

[Amaranthine]

haha oh snoop not everyone thinks about killing their wife and plays it out in their mind so vividly like that and that wouldnt make the contents of the song morally right anyway

I honestly see no problem with a song about killing Kim.

Me neither. I don't feel it's any different than, say...someone writing in their journal that they want to kill their wife who cheated on them, was a bitch, etc, etc. Obviously this is a much more public platform, but since Em uses his music as a personal journal, I don't see a problem with it.

[trinell05]

haha oh snoop not everyone thinks about killing their wife and plays it out in their mind so vividly like that and that wouldnt make the contents of the song morally right anyway

I honestly see no problem with a song about killing Kim.

Me neither. I don't feel it's any different than, say...someone writing in their journal that they want to kill their wife who cheated on them, was a bitch, etc, etc. Obviously this is a much more public platform, but since Em uses his music as a personal journal, I don't see a problem with it.

Totally agree. I used "Kim" as an inspiration for my final music project in school. You can't get much more passionate than vividly describing the mutilation of the person who wronged you that you had such intense feelings for. It's fucking beautiful.

[Jdubem]

haha oh snoop not everyone thinks about killing their wife and plays it out in their mind so vividly like that and that wouldnt make the contents of the song morally right anyway

I honestly see no problem with a song about killing Kim.

I dont have a problem with it either as when it comes down to it it is merely a form of artistic expression, but the contents of the song are still morally fucked up.

Id bet money eminem would even tell you that. It doesnt mean hes a terrible person as this was just a feeling he had. What it does mean is he has extreme emotions of violent hate-filled revenge. Although those may be natural that does not mean they should be morally celebrated in the slightest. And if you are going to talk about the song kim morally that is the truth behind the matter.

[trinell05]

I won't let anyone tell me what is moral. That's all bullshit, anyway. I feel that if you're a lying, cheating manly, bitch, a song about slitting your throat is perfectly fine, if you look at the context.

[Erowid]

I honestly see no problem with a song about killing Kim.

Me neither. I don't feel it's any different than, say...someone writing in their journal that they want to kill their wife who cheated on them, was a bitch, etc, etc. Obviously this is a much more public platform, but since Em uses his music as a personal journal, I don't see a problem with it.

Totally agree. I used "Kim" as an inspiration for my final music project in school. You can't get much more passionate than vividly describing the mutilation of the person who wronged you that you had such intense feelings for. It's fucking beautiful.

Yes! Thank you. It's a creative fucking outlet, and yes there IS an enormous gulf between writing and recording a song about killing your lover, and actually being physically aggressive towards them (or even just mentally abusive), in person.

And I don't buy that Kim was all that offended by those songs. I mean, I don't think she's made of stone, and she probably was hurt, but not so hurt that she's still holding a grudge. I mean, there comes a time, where the punishment no longer fits the crime. Plus, I think she's been through way too much actual hurt and abuse to give a shit about a couple of songs by a guy whose career she doesn't even take seriously. She probably just rolled her eyes, and was somewhat irritated, but I would imagine she kind of just carried on with her life pretty soon after, and just enjoyed her riches, and dealt with her real problems (some of which, I'm sure, did involve Em).

[Jdubem]

Well if you want to take a look at the real context of the relationship then Em wronged kim many times as well as has already been pointed out. Em was doing the exact same shit so this song cannot be seen as some form of justice like you seem to think. Whether you will admit it or not when a man performs a viscious rant graphically detailing the cold blooded murder of his wife the song itself will never be viewed as morally good. Like I already said. It is a feeling and sometimes our feelings are immoral.

[trinell05]

Well, Kim did slit her wrists after he performed it during a show in front of her and her friends. Oh well.

I still think the song is perfectly fine.