Will Smith: What are your thoughts?

[Francesco]

Yeah but your argument is terrible. You're saying "I think Will Smith wrote none of the verses, only the melodic hooks" and to back it up you show me a Wiki link showing vague cowriters on his songs. That somehow proves that he doesn't write his own verses?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marshall_Mathers_LP
Damn Eminem has a lot of ghost writers too then, probably only wrote the hooks of the solo tracks now that I think of it...

What are you talking about? lol Did you really say my argument was terrible?
I don't/didn't really wanna make you look bad but was just saying... that's why I won't quote your first post right now actually!
You didn't have idea what you were talking about & on top of it it's not even a secret Will Smith uses ghostwriters only for like...forever

http://rap-rebirth.com/blog/?p=51

http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2012/08/xxl- ... ters-poll/

The link was legit & totally proved my point cuz' not all of them dudes have produced for the album.
I think you should just go back & read all of my posts in this thread & will actually know what it's that all about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_Starter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switch_%28song%29

Francesco, provide a link backing what you say up before you say someone else has a shitty defence.
The burden of proof is on you.

I did actually... he said I wasn't sure someone ghostwrote for that album & I provided a link which totally proves it... just provided two more. Here's another which generally proves Will Smith have used ghostwriters for many songs.


http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/20 ... z2WW11uwNz

''Not to mention Nas himself writing a bunch of Will Smith’s comeback tracks.''

[Solace]

Yes I did say your argument was terrible. That's because your argument was terrible. You were saying a lot of unfounded things with no sources for no reason. Now you're providing sources and getting hopped up on what I said earlier. I don't think anyone here thinks I "look bad" because you linked a bunch of sites.

Your first source:
http://rap-rebirth.com/blog/?p=51

Your first source states that Nas wrote Will Smith's "Gettin' Jiggy With It". Earlier in the thread, I pointed out that Nas wrote Will Smith's "Gettin' Jiggy With It". Showing me that he had Nas write 1 song from Big Willie Style isn't proof that Lost & Found was almost entirely ghost written except for his melodic hooks (as you said). So yeah, nothing new here. You haven't proved anything yet.

Your second source:
http://www.xxlmag.com/news/2012/08/xxl- ... ters-poll/

The Queens poet put in writing duties for Smith on the Tinsel Town titan’s Big Willie Style album, contributing “Gettin’ Jiggy wit It,” “Miami” and more.

Nice, he ghost wrote "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It" (as I already established...), and now apparently "Miami". Nice, nothing about Lost & Found. You haven't proved anything yet.

Your third source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_Starter

The song was written with rapper Ludacris as a tribute to Bobby Seale.

It was written with Ludacris. And let's say Ludacris wrote the entire song, that makes the entire album ghost written? You haven't proved anything yet.

Your fourth source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switch_%28song%29

"Switch" is a single released in 2005 by Will Smith from his album Lost & Found. The song peaked at No. 7 on the United States Billboard Hot 100 singles chart. It reached No. 1 in Canada and Australia where it remained for one week and No. 4 in the United Kingdom. Will Smith performed the song live on the Nickelodeon's Kids Choice Awards 2005, at San Antonio before Game 1 of the 2005 NBA Finals between the Detroit Pistons and the San Antonio Spurs, and at the Live 8 concert in Philadelphia. There are two official remixes to the song-an R&B remix featuring Robin Thicke with a smoother and slower rhythm and a reggae remix featuring Elephant Man. Both can be found on the Lost & Found album. This song was also featured as a track on the 2005 compilation album Now That's What I Call Music! 19 and it was featured in a trailer for Tekken Tag Tournament 2.

Not a single thing about ghost writing. You haven't proved anything yet.

Your fifth source:
http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/20 ... z2WW11uwNz

The D.O.C., Pharoahe Monch, Consequence, Sauce Money, Ice Cube and Biggie all have writing credit attached to songs they were never heard rapping on. Not to mention Nas himself writing a bunch of Will Smith’s comeback tracks.

It says Nas himself wrote a bunch of Will Smith's comeback tracks. More than likely referring to the few songs on Big Willie Style I already agree with you about the ghostwriting. Also, Nas isn't credited anywhere on Lost & Found so that was also kind of irrelevant. You haven't proved anything yet.

So no, you haven't really proved to me that:

most likely a chunk of it was written by ghostwriters.

Will Smith only wrote most of the melodic hooks but none of the verses.

Your defense sucks Sol...

Nope.

Now allow me to continue my studious behavior and return to calculus. I'll be back like Johann Sebastian.

[Francesco]

I never said the whole album was written by other people... You said I wasn't sure ghostwriters wrote for the album in general... but now want me to give you specific details about it or to prove the whole album was done by other people?
So now you agree Luda ghostwrote for him ON THE ALBUM but say it's not sure it was the whole song too?
Fuck outta here homie!
I don't care what part or whatever was done by other people... I was just saying Will Smith used ghostwriters... on this album too.

[Spyder]

kinda saddening that Jay E has wrote for Nas. since i actually dont like Jay...

why dont people write all their own shit anymore

[Francesco]

kinda saddening that Jay E has wrote for Nas. since i actually dont like Jay...
why dont people write all their own shit anymore

Jay Elec & Sticman denied writing for Nas actually but it was fishy... I was disappointed too.

[Solace]

Come on man, I've seen you do that with someone else too. The whole " " emote used for condescension is really childish and doesn't allow this to move on.

You wrote:

I think Will Smith only wrote most of the melodic hooks but none of the verses

I wrote:

It doesn't sound like you really know whether it was ghost written or not. I've haven't been able to find anything about anyone ghost writing Lost & Found.

The only reason I'm arguing with you is to say/show that there is little to no evidence that supports Will Smith writing none of the verses and most of the hooks on Lost & Found. None of your sources backed up that at all, and in fact mostly talked about how Nas ghost wrote for the couple songs on Big Willie Style. Yes, I understand, and never claimed that Ludacris didn't ghostwrite the one song on Lost & Found. And now you tell me:

I was just saying Will Smith used ghostwriters... on this album too.

Yeah, he definitely has. I agree with you there. I wasn't disputing that at all. I'm disputing that you think most of the album is ghostwritten, when there's little reason to believe that. Ludacris is credited on only that one song, and some random rapper named Skillz is credited on Lost & Found (the title track).

:laughing: I never said the whole album was written by other people...

You can't be confused as to why the quotes below can make it seem like that's where you're going with what you're saying though...

I am not sure what part or whatever but most likely a chunk of it was written by ghostwriters.

I think Will Smith only wrote most of the melodic hooks but none of the verses

Relax. If I recall correctly I've seen a lot of your arguments turn into some " " emotes and ad hominems. I don't need that right now.

[Francesco]

I saw you were trying to cover your ass by ''dissecting'' & twisting & turning... this is how the argument started...

For Lost and Found?

Definitely if we talk about the whole album & not about any specific song... I am not sure what part or whatever but most likely a chunk of it was written by ghostwriters.

It doesn't sound like you really know whether it was ghost written or not. I've haven't been able to find anything about anyone ghost writing Lost & Found. Don't doubt Big Willie, he was a legitimate rapper before acting.
Will Smith defender for life.

Twist, turn & dissect all you want... The good thing is you AGREE now with something you didn't when the argument started. You can keep on reaching to whatever though...
Oh yeah.... I was gonna forget! Will Smith defender for life?

I guess I KNEW back then... Right? Well now you KNOW & AGREE TOO!

Yeah, he definitely has. I agree with you there. I wasn't disputing that at all. I'm disputing that you think most of the album is ghostwritten, when there's little reason to believe that. Ludacris is credited on only that one song, and some random rapper named Skillz is credited on Lost & Found (the title track).

By the way... my quotes in your last ''dissection'' were shifted... I just proved it with the whole quote of how the argument started! Pathetic Sol!

[Spyder]

Keep it to a civil debate about will smith/him having writers.

Let's not insult each other in the argument, or I will have to lock it.

[Solace]

Fran you got personal real fast. If you can't have a decent debate with someone without getting touchy you shouldn't be on the internet. You're still not arguing against my actual point at all, but that's okay. Everything in my last post remains valid and if you can't find me any more sources stating songs on Lost & Found were ghostwritten then you aren't saying anything new or interesting.

Solace:

[Elision]

Solace:

[CrashBand]

Francesco, you just took the biggest L man. Say you were mistaken, and move on.

This is what happened.

>Eedee praised Will Smith & Lost and Found.
>Spyder said Nas ghostwrite for him
>Eedee confirms he didn't for Lost & Found
>This is when you come in, arrogantly

He worked with ghost writers for the most part actually.

For Lost and Found?

Definitely if we talk about the whole album & not about any specific song... I am not sure what part or whatever but most likely a chunk of it was written by ghostwriters.

(talking out of your ass on both occasions)


This is when Solace came in saying you were mistaken

I haven't been able to find anything about anyone ghost writing Lost & Found."

(Which you are now arguing the semantics over Solace thinking the entire Lost & Found was not ghost written).


Then you came in

the whole album was ghost written at best

I think Will Smith wrote none of the verses

(talking out of your ass again).

[Francesco]

Francesco, you just took the biggest L man. Say you were mistaken, and move on.
This is what happened.
>Eedee praised Will Smith & Lost and Found.
>Spyder said Nas ghostwrite for him
>Eedee confirms he didn't for Lost & Found
>This is when you come in, arrogantly

He worked with ghost writers for the most part actually.

For Lost and Found?

Definitely if we talk about the whole album & not about any specific song... I am not sure what part or whatever but most likely a chunk of it was written by ghostwriters.

(talking out of your ass on both occasions)
This is when Solace came in saying you were mistaken

I haven't been able to find anything about anyone ghost writing Lost & Found."

(Which you are now arguing the semantics over Solace thinking the entire Lost & Found was not ghost written).
Then you came in

the whole album was ghost written at best

I think Will Smith wrote none of the verses

(talking out of your ass again).

I think you're mo re confused than Solace... I just proved him wrong with the original statement I did.
Eedee didn't confirm anything, HE ASKED ME if Will Smith had ghostwriters on Lost & Found & I couldn't be more clear with my answer... which was surely that if he asks me about if there are ghostwriters on the album period... I say there are ones if we talk about the whole album & not about any specific song... I obviously don't mean the whole album was done by other people as I say I can't be specific about any song or whatever. I just mean he did work with ghostwriters if we talk about the whole album in general, which I proved many times
... & that's what Sol originally argued but then agreed about!
I do think a chuck of it was written by other people & probably all of the verses in that matter but this is just my opinion & not part of the argument... I won't say MOST LIKELY or that I THINK that's the case if I argue about it. You basically missed the whole point of the argument which is only about if there were ghostwriters or not... the rest is just my opinion which I stated when Edee asked me.

As a matter a fact you're so confused you don't even understand Edee & I were having a friendly conversation before Solace & you came into it. You two should have minded your own business to be honest 'cuz your confusion brought all that to here.

I just proved wrong what Sol was originally arguing in my last post... again go back & reread all of it. I just couldn't be more clear with what I said... you either misunderstand what all that was all about or you are more confused than Sol. He went desperate when he changed his point in the argument & then even shifted my quotes to make it more legit.

Bottom line is I said there were ghostwriters period... again I can't be very specific about what parts or whatever like I say in my first post on the matter... I said it back then & I say it again & I brought prove there were ghostwriters.
Then on a side note I still think a chunk of it is most likely written by other people but this is just my opinion & I DO NOT put it in the argument as this is only my opinion. I said it back then & I say it agian.

Either... mind your own busyness or at least try to understand what is that all about before you give your 2 cents on it.

Fran you got personal real fast. If you can't have a decent debate with someone without getting touchy you shouldn't be on the internet. You're still not arguing against my actual point at all, but that's okay. Everything in my last post remains valid and if you can't find me any more sources stating songs on Lost & Found were ghostwritten then you aren't saying anything new or interesting.
Solace:

I got personal? Seriously? More desperation & more twisting turning... Again... I don't need to find anything about more ghostwriters on the album 'cuz my point was there were some on it & you originally argued it. Again... you probably either misunderstood what I said to Edee or you changed your point in the argument.
Like I said... you even shifted my quotes in your last post prior to this one to look better I guess. I haven't seen you more desperate than this on the forum to be honest.
Should I quote all of the posts me & you did to make it more clear than it already is for you & your friend?

[CrashBand]

Fuck you're an idiot.

[CrashBand]

You said

"is likely it was ghost written"

"the whole album was ghost written at best"

"I think Will Smith wrote none of the verses"

With no evidence to back those kind of statements up.

Yes Ludacris is credited as well for Party Starter. That goes nothing towards those statements.

I don't know why you aren't following.

[CrashBand]

To be honest, the main problem is you're just a bad communicator.

You should've said, party starter has credits to Ludacris, Nas has been credited on some songs in the past, therefore it isn't crazy to think the album was ghost written (even though there is no evidence to prove this).