*Controversial* Is Kanye top 5 worthy?

[EminemBase]

I might change the title to "is kanye top 5 worthy"

Top 5 Worthy as what though?

As a RAPPER? (rhymes, ideas, flow, delivery, concepts.. ) - definitely not.

But as an all-round artist in hip-hop (production, visuals, album consistency, songs)... then yes.

[Fleka]

Why can't GOAT rapper just be rapper who makes the best music?

Because rap is about lyrics. No matter how good you sound, how well produced you music is, if the lyrics are not top notch-you can`t be the GOAT.

[SliK]

Why can't GOAT rapper just be rapper who makes the best music?

Because rap is about lyrics. No matter how good you sound, how well produced you music is, if the lyrics are not top notch-you can`t be the GOAT.

Rap is also about music or all rap songs would be acapellas. So what to you makes good lyrics? Are Tupac's lyrics good, despite the fact he doesn't fill his bars with multis? Is tech n9ne a good lyricist because of all his rhyming, despite a lack of content? How would you compare the lyrics of Buffalo Bill vs Sing for the Moment vs Stan? Which song has better lyricism? Changes vs Stay Wide Awake, which is better?

You have to judge the music overall. Kanye is a rapper who makes incredible music. Therefore he is one of the greatest.

[EminemBase]

Why can't GOAT rapper just be rapper who makes the best music?

Because if you're talking goat RAPPER, you're talking rapping.

How can the goat rapper not rap the best.

You could say goat artist in hip-hop...

But calling someone who is the best maker of music... the best rapper, is like calling a boxer who wins on points the best knockout artist. Doesn't make sense.

[LIL_B]

Why can't GOAT rapper just be rapper who makes the best music?

Kanye is the only Hip-Hop artist that i could put with artists such as Radiohead, Neutral Milk Hotel and My Bloody Valentine, because that's what he's been making since The College Dropout - good music.

I could'nt care less about rhyme-schemes. He's the goat

[EminemBase]

Why can't GOAT rapper just be rapper who makes the best music?

Kanye is the only Hip-Hop artist that i could put with artists such as Radiohead, Neutral Milk Hotel and My Bloody Valentine, because that's what he's been making since The College Dropout - good music.

I could'nt care less about rhyme-schemes. He's the goat

You wouldn't call "Stan", "Lose Yourself" and "Till I Collapse" good music?

[SliK]

No that's not correct, it's like calling him the best boxer lol.

How exactly do you measure rap in terms of greatness? It's ridiculous to suggest you can. There are so many parts of rap. Eminen can't rap off the top of his head very well, should that subtract from his overall "rap score"? lol

GOAT rappe is rapper who makes the best rap songs, obviously. Like the best rock band is the Beatles, not because they have the voice of angels each with perfect pitch, or because they could play their instruments better than ANYONE. Oh they're a rock band though so I suppose they "rocked" the hardest...? lol

No, they just made phenominal music

[Fleka]

I agree that music hast to be good. Music is very important, but in rap, lyrics are more important. I will always choose content over packing multis. Rhyming your ass off while saying nothing is nothing. I would never consider that kind of rapper as the greatest. That is why I think Eminem is the GOAT. He has it all.

Kanye is good, he makes good music, people love him, he is talented and all that. But he is nowhere near the best lyricists, so he can`t be considered as a GOAT material.

And those songs you mentioned, those are songs with totally different subject matter. Changes-song about someones view on life and world he lives in and SWA- fictional song about serial killing and sick stuff. Both great in the terms of subject matter that the songs talk about. You can`t really compare them.

[SliK]

Exactly my point, so you shouldn't really compare Kanye to Eminem bar by bar. Their content and style is too different.

[EminemBase]

No that's not correct, it's like calling him the best boxer lol.

How exactly do you measure rap in terms of greatness? It's ridiculous to suggest you can. There are so many parts of rap. Eminen can't rap off the top of his head very well, should that subtract from his overall "rap score"? lol

GOAT rappe is rapper who makes the best rap songs, obviously. Like the best rock band is the Beatles, not because they have the voice of angels each with perfect pitch, or because they could play their instruments better than ANYONE. Oh their a rock band though so I suppose they "rocked" the hardest...? lol

No, they just made phenominal music

No it's not. Music is the sport, boxing is the sport.

Rap is an element within the music/sport... rap does not = music.

You can rap with no beat, so how is that synonymous with music?

How do you 'measure' the best music? You do it in the same way of defining and analyzing elements of subjective taste, it's the same game. So to say it's ridiculous to be able to measure the greatness of rapping is no different than saying it's ridiculous to be able to measure the greatness of music.

In fact it's easier to define greatness of rapping (rhymes, complexity of flow) than it is the greatness of music. Because a lot of great music can be simplistic... where as not that much great rap is simplistic, rap by its very nature is usually judged (by hip-hop fans) by complexity of some kind.

Kanye is not the best rapper ever or one of the best because he doesn't rap the best or close to the best... has he made some of the best music in hip-hop? Yes. I think then it'd be more appropriate to call him one of the GOAT hip-hop artists.

But calling him one of the GOAT rappers doesn't make sense.

[LIL_B]

Why can't GOAT rapper just be rapper who makes the best music?

Kanye is the only Hip-Hop artist that i could put with artists such as Radiohead, Neutral Milk Hotel and My Bloody Valentine, because that's what he's been making since The College Dropout - good music.

I could'nt care less about rhyme-schemes. He's the goat

You wouldn't call "Stan", "Lose Yourself" and "Till I Collapse" good music?

Have not listen to any Eminem's songs in ages.

[EminemBase]

Exactly my point, so you shouldn't really compare Kanye to Eminem bar by bar. Their content and style is too different.

It's not bar-for-bar, it's overall ability.

In your analogy of The Beatles playing their instruments better than anyone...

Okay, so apply that analogy to rap - a rapper's instruments is his words and lyrics and how he expresses them. Does Kanye do that better than anyone? No. Did Eminem? Yes.

You can be a great rapper and not know how to put a song together. So Kanye's ability to do that makes him one of the best artists and producers. That's not rapping.

[EminemBase]

How can you not say Kanye makes good music? Listen to Jesus Walks, Power, Dark Fantasy and Coldest winter. Then come back to me.

When did I say he didn't did you even read what I wrote?

has he made some of the best music in hip-hop? Yes.

[Trimss]

Why can't GOAT rapper just be rapper who makes the best music?

Kanye is the only Hip-Hop artist that i could put with artists such as Radiohead, Neutral Milk Hotel and My Bloody Valentine, because that's what he's been making since The College Dropout - good music.

I could'nt care less about rhyme-schemes. He's the goat

Cac lord

[LIL_B]

Why can't GOAT rapper just be rapper who makes the best music?

Kanye is the only Hip-Hop artist that i could put with artists such as Radiohead, Neutral Milk Hotel and My Bloody Valentine, because that's what he's been making since The College Dropout - good music.

I could'nt care less about rhyme-schemes. He's the goat

Cac lord

Good morning Trimss and why all this animosity?