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MMLP vs MBDTF

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Who had the better album ?

MMLP
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MBDTF
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Re: MMLP vs MBDTF

Postby EminemBase » Sep 3rd, '13, 12:11

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EminemBase wrote:Lol. MMLP, and not even remotely close.

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Does any hip hop album come "remotely close" in your opinion? I'm genuinely curious, and don't say "The Eminem Show".


To MMLP? Not that I've heard...

I've never heard such consistent themes carried throughout an album so daringly, originally, uniquely, artistically and it all sounded so varied yet cohesive... It's just an absolute powerhouse.

There's nothing like it.

Some of my other favourite albums which I could mention in the same sentence without laughing though would be... Black on Both Sides... Internal Affairs... but certainly not MBDTF.
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Re: MMLP vs MBDTF

Postby SliK » Sep 3rd, '13, 12:14

EminemBase wrote:such consistent themes carried throughout an album so daringly, originally, uniquely, artistically and it all sounded so varied yet cohesive... It's just an absolute powerhouse.

Sounds like a perfectly accurate description of MBDTF.
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Re: MMLP vs MBDTF

Postby Eedee » Sep 3rd, '13, 12:15

MMLP, by a large margin. But this does not mean I dislike MBDTF.

MMLP had higher highs, and the lows still are greater than or equal to the highs on MBDTF. For me, the only redeeming factor of MBDTF is the production/samples/hooks. Basically with every Kanye album, I don't pay attention to the rapping that much. He has the odd clever line and genius breakthrough, but mostly I listen just for the sonics and aesthetics. Graduation, for example, which is my favorite Kanye album, I listen to because the samples/beats/hook are mesmerizing.

Just some examples, Graduation starts off with Good Morning. The vocal samples in that are from Elton John, I do believe, and it's pleasing as fuck to my ear. His rapping is bearable, but as I said before, I don't listen to his rapping all that intensely as I would on MMLP. Because, yes, Kanye is saying stuff relevant and somewhat interesting, at times on his albums, he's rapping just to fill the space and hoping the beats carry the rest of the way. Which, lol, they do, admittedly, which is my whole point!

Eminem, however, has witty lines, clever lines, emotional lines, deep lines, you name it, on MMLP, he has 'em. It's always interesting and never grows tiring, as Kanye's rapping does. Eminem carries that album through his rapping, as a RAP album should. Kanye relies on his beats moreso than his rapping, which is all well and good, but it's a rap album afterall. You gotta be fresh and captivating, something MMLP does to near-perfection while MBDTF falls short of.

Champion, again, has a pleasing hook sample. I Wonder. Homecoming, Glory, etc. There's the odd great songs rapping-wise, like Everything I Am, but that's a rarity. It's his beats.

MBDTF, however, his rapping is really meh to me, especially compared to Graduation. "Can we get much higher?" is so fucking awesome. Which, that in itself, is what makes the album "epic", and I use that term loosely here. Again, he's relying on sonic samples to make it sound good, not his rapping.

MMLP, on the other hand, Stan, Kill You, Who Knew, I'm Back, Marshall Mathers. Whew! That's just the tip of the iceberg with the captivating songs. The rapping carries it. The beat just helps. It's fucking classic.

tl;dr - MMLP is a better overall album because Em relies on his lyrics/rapping to carry the album, whereas Kanye relies on his production to carry his RAP album.
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Re: MMLP vs MBDTF

Postby SliK » Sep 3rd, '13, 12:18

^ Some of Kanye's lyrics on MBDTF are beyond amazing.

If you were talking about Yeezus I'd completely agree though. MBDTF has it all.
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Re: MMLP vs MBDTF

Postby EminemBase » Sep 3rd, '13, 12:20

SliK wrote:
EminemBase wrote:such consistent themes carried throughout an album so daringly, originally, uniquely, artistically and it all sounded so varied yet cohesive... It's just an absolute powerhouse.

Sounds like a perfectly accurate description of MBDTF.


I wouldn't say that.

What... Kanye bitching about imagined rich-black-man racism... or "Runaway"... if we're comparing the 'love / relationship-orientated' tracks just as pieces of art... you think "Runaway" and "Blame Game" are even in the same stratosphere as "Kim"?

I mean, just compare two similar themes... @ critics... let's see how either approaches it...

"Choke a South Park writer with a fishstick"

vs.

"What if he's right? I'm just a criminal, making a living off of the world's misery?"

Em's depth and imagination is ten-fold Kanye's when it comes to lyrics, and then compare vocal performance, flows... there's no way to say Kanye matches up in any regard.

"Stan" is more genius than anything on MBTF combined.

MBTF is great musically, but the themes are fairly generic; pretty decent lyrically; the concept is retarded though, it doesn't have anywhere near as much focus or reason to exist.

It's Kanye using a strained metaphor of being from another planet / a martyr for culture based off of him interrupting someone at an awards ceremony lmao, victimizing himself again... and yet, not even completely sticking to that... in comparison to Eminem truly pushing the limits of free-speech and becoming his criticism to become the ultimate provocateur.

Like, seriously man... "Criminal"? are you kidding me; there's so much ingenuity line-to-line, the lyrics or concepts on MBDTF are so much more everyday. The production is the only truly outstanding thing; good, sometimes great lyrics; good, sometimes great themes... but that's it.

MBTF breaks no new ground in thought, lyrics or concepts.
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Re: MMLP vs MBDTF

Postby SliK » Sep 3rd, '13, 12:23

Lol, whatever. Again I didn't say MMLP wasn't better or even compare it to MBDTF. I just said your description of MMLP fits perfectly for both albums.
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Re: MMLP vs MBDTF

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Re: MMLP vs MBDTF

Postby EminemBase » Sep 3rd, '13, 12:25

SliK wrote:Lol, whatever. Again I didn't say MMLP wasn't better or even compared it. I just said your description of MMLP fits perfectly for both albums.


Well, I'm a big Kanye fan, and I like MBDTF a lot.

But I wouldn't say MBTF has a truly consistent focus or set of themes... it's pretty much Kanye exploring what he always explores, just slightly grander... what I do love is his... kind of, manic/abstract inspiration for the album; in terms of turning dreams and visions in to songs...

But it's a loose concept album with a pretty pretentious metaphor... some brilliant production, some brilliant rapping... but, I couldn't even pick one song and say "this is groundbreaking" or "this is genius"... they just all range from great-very-great but... it's just not in the same league at all for me. But, whatever, to each his own yo.
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Re: MMLP vs MBDTF

Postby TRSL » Sep 3rd, '13, 12:27

MMLP, but I love MBDTF
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Re: MMLP vs MBDTF

Postby MistaVijilantee » Sep 3rd, '13, 12:34

MMLP has one song I don't particularly like being "Amityville" but nonetheless I don't skip any songs on it.
Therefore, to me it's one of the greatest albums ever created.
If anyone asks me to recommend them Eminem's music, I'd give them a copy of MMLP.
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Re: MMLP vs MBDTF

Postby SliK » Sep 3rd, '13, 12:36

EminemBase wrote:
SliK wrote:Lol, whatever. Again I didn't say MMLP wasn't better or even compared it. I just said your description of MMLP fits perfectly for both albums.


Well, I'm a big Kanye fan, and I like MBDTF a lot.

But I wouldn't say MBTF has a truly consistent focus or set of themes... it's pretty much Kanye exploring what he always explores, just slightly grander... what I do love is his... kind of, manic/abstract inspiration for the album; in terms of turning dreams and visions in to songs...

But it's a loose concept album with a pretty pretentious metaphor... some brilliant production, some brilliant rapping... but, I couldn't even pick one song and say "this is groundbreaking" or "this is genius"... they just all range from great-very-great but... it's just not in the same league at all for me. But, whatever, to each his own yo.

I agree they are in different leagues, if only because I think MMLP is actually perfect in terms of execution and MBDTF falls slightly short of that :y:

I'm curious to read how you would compare MBDTF with TES, which I think is a far more interesting question.
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Re: MMLP vs MBDTF

Postby Fleka » Sep 3rd, '13, 13:01

EminemBase wrote:
SliK wrote:
EminemBase wrote:such consistent themes carried throughout an album so daringly, originally, uniquely, artistically and it all sounded so varied yet cohesive... It's just an absolute powerhouse.

Sounds like a perfectly accurate description of MBDTF.


I wouldn't say that.

What... Kanye bitching about imagined rich-black-man racism... or "Runaway"... if we're comparing the 'love / relationship-orientated' tracks just as pieces of art... you think "Runaway" and "Blame Game" are even in the same stratosphere as "Kim"?

I mean, just compare two similar themes... @ critics... let's see how either approaches it...

"Choke a South Park writer with a fishstick"

vs.

"What if he's right? I'm just a criminal, making a living off of the world's misery?"

Em's depth and imagination is ten-fold Kanye's when it comes to lyrics, and then compare vocal performance, flows... there's no way to say Kanye matches up in any regard.

"Stan" is more genius than anything on MBTF combined.

MBTF is great musically, but the themes are fairly generic; pretty decent lyrically; the concept is retarded though, it doesn't have anywhere near as much focus or reason to exist.

It's Kanye using a strained metaphor of being from another planet / a martyr for culture based off of him interrupting someone at an awards ceremony lmao, victimizing himself again... and yet, not even completely sticking to that... in comparison to Eminem truly pushing the limits of free-speech and becoming his criticism to become the ultimate provocateur.

Like, seriously man... "Criminal"? are you kidding me; there's so much ingenuity line-to-line, the lyrics or concepts on MBDTF are so much more everyday. The production is the only truly outstanding thing; good, sometimes great lyrics; good, sometimes great themes... but that's it.

MBTF breaks no new ground in thought, lyrics or concepts.

This.
And what Eedee said, when it comes to RAP, Kanye is not in the same category as Em.
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Re: MMLP vs MBDTF

Postby SliK » Sep 3rd, '13, 13:15

Fleka wrote:Kanye is not in the same category as Em.

Kanye has never made utter trash like "Encore", or sold out and made a "Recovery" either.
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Re: MMLP vs MBDTF

Postby Fleka » Sep 3rd, '13, 13:21

If you are gonna look at it like that, Kanye has been selling out his whole career making music for the masses.
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Re: MMLP vs MBDTF

Postby SliK » Sep 3rd, '13, 13:23

Fleka wrote:If you are gonna look at it like that, Kanye has been selling out his whole career making music for the masses.

On what basis have you formed that moronic opinion?
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