For those who don't think Pac is a goat, can you explain why

[BILI]

Ofc it is idiot and Nas sucks even more tbh

[PAINKILLƎR]

Why do people always give Pac shit for his rhyming? He isn't packing bigass multis, so the fuck what. And wtf does rhyming have to do with lyricism?

[Rattle1]

Ofc it is idiot and Nas sucks even more tbh

ok.

[Trimss]

Don't act like rhyming isn't important though. It's not the most important aspect BUT someone who can tell a great story while rhyming a lot > someone who can tell a story but who doesn't try to rhyme.

Rhyming sounds smooth to the ear most of the times.

[DƎRDYPK]

Nas sucks

[Notalius]

I really love pac...but lyrically he just wasnt that good...

What does lyrical mean to you? Pac fits every aspect of being lyrical.

@Bigray

Have you ever listened to Slick Rick ? since you're saying pac is the best storyteller ever

Big was great too. Even Immortal T.

where did you read that i said he's the best story teller ever? you didnt i said imo he is...ive learned a long time ago that tr isn't a place to talk about tupac because very few of you know how good pac actually was.

You said he's the king of storytelling. Yeah, you didn't say the best but this is basically the same imo

[Notalius]

Mainly because the guys that we consider goats are superior in every aspect of rap compared to pac

Like who lol

You mean who I think is better than pac or who considers other rappers better than him from the forum ? lol

[Rattle1]

Don't act like rhyming isn't important though. It's not the most important aspect BUT someone who can tell a great story while rhyming a lot > someone who can tell a story but who doesn't try to rhyme.

Rhyming sounds smooth to the ear most of the times.

disagree. Most artists who rhyme a lot often sacrifice important aspects of lyricism: cohesiveness and imagery. Eminem in his prime was amazing but he is now one of these rappers who rhyme for the sake of rhyming

Lupe fiasco is a rare example of a rapper who can rhyme and excells in every aspect of lyricism but some would argue that his delivery is one of his biggest flaws.

[Slim Fiasco]

Pac may not have been very skilled technically but his voice, passion and delivery which uplifted his enormous charisma put him in a category of his own. I don't think anyone could have Pac's presence and that says a lot. On the other hand, a lot of people can shit multies and stuff. That's not to say that Pac is the GOAT, cause I don't think there is one (and if there is, it's Em) but he does deserve the respect that he seems to get.

[Jason M.]

I've never heard a song of his that made me go ''Woooow...''.

[Mr.DGAF]

Pac is one of my all time favorites. He might not be the most technically skilled writer, but his rhyming isn't bad, and not nearly bad enough to discredit him as a rapper. People that dismiss him instantly as a poor lyricist fail to recognize rhyming along doesn't equal lyricism.

[King Lance]

It's ok if you don't have nas or pac or biggie in your top 10 but I really hate people who call a rapper "trash" just because they don't like him.

Pac wasn't the perfect rapper (and the perfect rapper doesn't exist) but he was able to rap like only him could rap, and that's why he was unique and great. If Tupac is trash because he didn't have Nas or Eminem's rapping skills, then you could say that Eminem and Nas are trash because they don't have Pac's skills.

Don't forget that a rapper is often praised as the best/one of the best because of his discography and a lot of people will tell you that pac's albums are timeless.

[King Lance]

I'll be honest, I didn't even know people didn't consider him a goat.

It's because of the zero sense that members post when it comes to opinions about tupac.

[Rattle1]

Pac is one of my all time favorites. He might not be the most technically skilled writer, but his rhyming isn't bad, and not nearly bad enough to discredit him as a rapper. People that dismiss him instantly as a poor lyricist fail to recognize rhyming along doesn't equal lyricism.

only people that didnt truly know what tupac agenda was call him overrated. He was more than a rapper, the shit he said and his beliefs were amazing for a 24 year old to have.

[King Lance]

he was ahead of his time