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Re: Why are "Emo" Em songs so celebrated?

Postby Wic Kid » Dec 10th, '09, 16:22

You know whats funny, guys? 70% of the old school rappers didnt use multies at all, and yet that period is still considered rap's greatest time. But when Eminem doesnt use multies or flows faster in couple of his songs, you guys call it embarassing. Fuckin hypocrits. :n:
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Re: Why are "Emo" Em songs so celebrated?

Postby Evan C. » Dec 10th, '09, 16:31

Wic Kid wrote:You know whats funny, guys? 70% of the old school rappers didnt use multies at all, and yet that period is still considered rap's greatest time. But when Eminem doesnt use multies or flows faster in couple of his songs, you guys call it embarassing. Fuckin hypocrits. :n:

The people who think that are idiots. The mid-90s through the early 2000's was clearly the best era in rap (Tupac, Nas, Jay-Z, Big L, Big Pun, Eminem.) Rap from the 80s is mostly boring as fuck.
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Re: Why are "Emo" Em songs so celebrated?

Postby Alaine » Dec 10th, '09, 16:44

90s was definitely the golden age of hip-hop, too bad I was so young that time :(
Nowadays we got "best rapper alive" like Wayne :'( Some new school rappers are nice like Drake, Cudi but they're more into singing that I'm not really interested.
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Re: Why are "Emo" Em songs so celebrated?

Postby Emadyville » Dec 10th, '09, 17:55

Scott M wrote:it's so simple, the people who like these songs more, aren't such big hip hop heads. like myself, i prefer the songs i can relate to over songs about serial killing, with an accent. and no, it's not embarrassing playing songs like 'mockingbird' or 'when i'm gone' in public, if it embarrasses you, then you have insecurity issues, and care too much about what other people think.


EXACTLY!

which is why a lot of my friends who dont listen to rap or eminem love "when i'm gone"

and btw the shit you said in the original post makes me believe you know nothing about actual rap music :n:
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Re: Why are "Emo" Em songs so celebrated?

Postby Tash8 » Dec 10th, '09, 17:56

umm..these songs mean more because umm let's see:
first, they never use a fuckin accent
two, we never have to hear him shitting and pissing on some girls chest
three, they actually mean something
four, you could be happy and listen to one of these songs and suddenly it made you sad (even though that might not be a good thing, it makes you have an emotional reaction to it, Remember the Titans is a sad movie but it's still a classic)
five, they are good songs..maybe not completely lyrical but honestly a typical listener couldn't give a shit about a multi syllable rhyme
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Re: Why are "Emo" Em songs so celebrated?

Postby Wic Kid » Dec 10th, '09, 18:01

Chet Starr wrote:And stop calling them emo....the only emo track is Stan and that's for the random cutting reference lol


I was just about to say that. :b: Calling Beautiful, When Im Gone and Mockingbird emo songs is plain idiotic.
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Re: Why are "Emo" Em songs so celebrated?

Postby Tash8 » Dec 10th, '09, 18:02

^ jhaha i laughed at ur sig!
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Re: Why are "Emo" Em songs so celebrated?

Postby Emadyville » Dec 10th, '09, 18:05

Chet Starr wrote:And stop calling them emo....the only emo track is Stan and that's for the random cutting reference lol


yeah another good point, the only other song that could maybe be considered emo is beautiful cause of the verses, but the hook makes it not emo cause he is being real positive :y:
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Re: Why are "Emo" Em songs so celebrated?

Postby Evan C. » Dec 10th, '09, 18:10

What the hell, my post was deleted because I said I didn't like 80s rap? LOL
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Re: Why are "Emo" Em songs so celebrated?

Postby mcZu » Dec 10th, '09, 18:21

If you think that being lyrical equals multies, then you know nothing about rap and lyrics.
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Re: Why are "Emo" Em songs so celebrated?

Postby Evan C. » Dec 10th, '09, 18:38

mcZu wrote:If you think that being lyrical equals multies, then you know nothing about rap and lyrics.

Really?

Multis alone aren't everything (see Canibus) but they're a big part of the equation when it comes to evaluating a rapper. Anyone can write "meaningful" lines, but when someone can do that while being able to rhyme multiple syllables every bar you have something with a lot more depth than:

Life is so tough and so hard/
I just don't think I have the heart/
To get through, all this pain just hit me like a dart/
If I had one wish I wish this life didn't start/
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Re: Why are "Emo" Em songs so celebrated?

Postby Evan C. » Dec 10th, '09, 18:44

Scott M wrote:
Evan C. wrote:
mcZu wrote:If you think that being lyrical equals multies, then you know nothing about rap and lyrics.

Really?

Multis alone aren't everything (see Canibus) but they're a big part of the equation when it comes to evaluating a rapper. Anyone can write "meaningful" lines, but when someone can do that while being able to rhyme multiple syllables every bar you have something with a lot more depth than:

Life is just so tough and so hard/
I just don't think I have the heart/
To get through, all this pain just hit me like a dart/
If I had one wish I wish this life just didn't start/


multies ruin the effect of a meaningful song though.

You're right, all those multis really ruined Rock Bottom, Sing For The Moment, Lose Yourself, Till I Collapse, and Deja Vu.

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Re: Why are "Emo" Em songs so celebrated?

Postby Evan C. » Dec 10th, '09, 18:53

Scott M wrote:^ but those songs are arguably less emotionally effective as beautiful, when i'm gone and mockingbird.

To me, a song that has multiple rhymes every bar and clearly had a ton of thought and work put into every word is more effective than a song that could have been written by an 8-year-old.
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Re: Why are "Emo" Em songs so celebrated?

Postby Wic Kid » Dec 10th, '09, 19:00

Scott M wrote:^ but those songs are arguably less emotionally effective as beautiful, when i'm gone and mockingbird.


I agree with Scott on this one. For example, I dont feel so much emotion in Deja Vu at all. He forced so many multies in it that it lost its true appeal. Thats why Beautiful is a lot better song, cuz it served its purpose. :y:
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Re: Why are "Emo" Em songs so celebrated?

Postby mcZu » Dec 10th, '09, 19:01

Evan C. wrote:
Scott M wrote:^ but those songs are arguably less emotionally effective as beautiful, when i'm gone and mockingbird.

To me, a song that has multiple rhymes every bar and clearly had a ton of thought and work put into every word is more effective than a song that could have been written by an 8-year-old.

You think an 8 year old can fabricate such a flow?
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