Dr. Dre

[shadyboymez]

What are people's thought on what Dr. Dre has meant to Eminem's career to this point, and in the future. It gets mentioned here and there in other threads, but why not have its own topic. Someone had even gone as far to say Eminem is a better overall producer than Dr. Dre (rapper, writer YES...producer HELL NO).

I think that Dre deserves a great deal of credit for turning Eminem into a huge star by providing him with the chance of a lifetime (signing him to Aftermath). It's not like Em has turned his back on Dre ever, so I dont know why people would hate on him.

Sure, I am all for Eminem going in a "new direction" with the next album, but that doesn't mean I didnt like the Dr. Dre beats on Relapse. I think that without the power of some of those beats, the songs wouldn't be what they are (Insane, Bagpipes, Hello, Stay Wide Awake, Deja Vu)..come on get real. The entire selection of beats could be listed there, because it is all massive production.

What are other opinions?

[lil_bayly]

What are people's thought on what Dr. Dre has meant to Eminem's career to this point, and in the future. It gets mentioned here and there in other threads, but why not have its own topic. Someone had even gone as far to say Eminem is a better overall producer than Dr. Dre (rapper, writer YES...producer HELL NO).

I think that Dre deserves a great deal of credit for turning Eminem into a huge star by providing him with the chance of a lifetime (signing him to Aftermath). It's not like Em has turned his back on Dre ever, so I dont know why people would hate on him.

Sure, I am all for Eminem going in a "new direction" with the next album, but that doesn't mean I didnt like the Dr. Dre beats on Relapse. I think that without the power of some of those beats, the songs wouldn't be what they are (Insane, Bagpipes, Hello, Stay Wide Awake, Deja Vu)..come on get real. The entire selection of beats could be listed there, because it is all massive production.


I will ALWAYS say that Dr Dre is a shitty as "producer" u have all seen that site whosampledit.com and dre sampled the most out of any "producer" in the game. How does that make u great? or even relevant to real producers? Dre can suck a dick, he's a washed up beat thief who cant write his own shit!!
What are other opinions?

[Jay-19]

No doubt he had a huge part in making Eminem the rapper he is today, but I'm not sure if Shady should stick to "only" Dre beats. Seems like a lot of them does not fit Eminem's style.
As a mentor and friend, I think they're pretty much like brothers and can talk about anything anytime.
But as far as music go, I think Eminem have to look around for new partners in rhyme, because to me it seems like Dre's beat has gone downhill lately, while Eminem's rap is going straight back to the top.

[shadyboymez]

not saying I'm against the change in producers for the new album...but I just think Dre deserves a great deal of credit. He helped Eminem find some of his best flows in my opinion

[EminemBase]

Well Dre helped him early on but Em was starting to make groundbreaking music before he met Dre. Lets not forget "Bonnie and Clyde" etc. were done before he met him.

I appreciate what he did for probably helping him on the first two.

As for people saying he DEFINITELY ISN'T a better producer... I disagree. I think Em's best album is still The Eminem Show. Not only best lyrically and musically but production-wise too. And Em produced all but a few tracks there.

I don't see how Dre's beats for Em until then are better than "White America" - "Square Dance" - "Soldier" - "Without Me" - "Cleanin' Out My Closet".

Every beat is totally distinctive and memorable and has a fantastically unique melody.

So I liked the help early on but think he limited Em's scope on Relapse and that Em will do much better work with new producers.

He helped Eminem find some of his best flows in my opinion

Well you say that but Eminem wrote "Forgot About Dre", showed Dre how to flow, writes all of Dre's shit when on his album and probably helps with Dre's 'solo' stuff too.

He shows Dre how to flow not visa-versa. Em has helped Dre immensely too.

He continues to keep Dre relevant just from a few occasional album cuts that Em usually makes classics. If it weren't for the classics Ems created for / with Dre for his own albums, the last we would of heard of Dre would of been 10 years ago.

[shadyboymez]

I'm saying the beats that Dre gave to Eminem helped him find the flows, it can go both ways. Example..what would Kill You sound like with a different beat? I agree that it seems like Eminem writes the majority of Dre's lyrics, especially these days .. but just because you guys like Eminem today, you can't forget how much of a pioneer in the rap game Dr. Dre has been. He did a lot of work before meeting Eminem, that's for sure.

I have a good feeling that if Eminem was asked who his greatest influence is, production wise, he would say Dr. Dre. Almost 100% on that one.

[Mikey1990]

Dre is a legend and helped em alot
great producer
but im glad to hear he isnt producing all of R2

[RealSickLindley]

Decades of Classic material, his own sound, and consistency throughout different artists and subgenre's..

Versus..

An artist who has 1 classic album, at a push 2.. And he only produced areas of them.. And whilst some of them were classic.. Apart from that.. most of the joints he wasn't on and did for other people, were very average and forgettable..

[embm]

Dre is a legend and helped em alot
great producer

tru tat
glad dre was arnd 2 help Em out

[EminemBase]

Decades of Classic material, his own sound, and consistency throughout different artists and subgenre's..

Versus..

An artist who has 1 classic album, at a push 2.. And he only produced areas of them.. And whilst some of them were classic.. Apart from that.. most of the joints he wasn't on and did for other people, were very average and forgettable..

Decades of classic material?

1st solo album = 1992
2nd solo album = 1999
3rd solo album = yet to come but 11 year gap so far.

So 7 year gap + 11 year gap. Hardly consistent is it.

I wouldn't agree that Em has 1 classic album at a push two either. I think The Slim Shady LP, The Marshall Mathers LP and The Eminem Show are all classics. Three in a row. Lets see the timespan there too...

1st solo album = 1999
2nd = 2000
3rd = 2002

And I dunno how you can say only a few joints on The Eminem Show are classics. "Square Dance" kicks most of Dre's beats out the window not to mention "Till I Collapse" and "Cleanin' Out My Closet".

Dre stays relevant by popping up on Em's albums, with lyrics Em has written for him and every line is just him stressing how relevant / important he still is.

Like Jay-Z, he thinks innovation = talking about past innovation. That doesn't count.

Other than his solo stuff he hasn't done that much at all in-between NWA-Now. Most of the first two Em albums were him and the Bass Bros, not Dre and nearly all of TES was Em.

Where as Em has self-produced much of his first three solos, written all of them, created dozens of flows and concepts, re-invented himself every album. And I would argue The Marshall Mathers LP totally and utterly obliterates anything Dre has done artistically. That's a groundbreaking album.

Then aside from all that he's produced two Obie albums which are arguably both classics too.

[shadyboymez]

Decades of Classic material, his own sound, and consistency throughout different artists and subgenre's..

Versus..

An artist who has 1 classic album, at a push 2.. And he only produced areas of them.. And whilst some of them were classic.. Apart from that.. most of the joints he wasn't on and did for other people, were very average and forgettable..

Decades of classic material?

1st solo album = 1992
2nd solo album = 1999
3rd solo album = yet to come but 11 year gap so far.

So 7 year gap + 11 year gap. Hardly consistent is it.

I wouldn't agree that Em has 1 classic album at a push two either. I think The Slim Shady LP, The Marshall Mathers LP and The Eminem Show are all classics. Three in a row. Lets see the timespan there too...

1st solo album = 1999
2nd = 2000
3rd = 2002

And I dunno how you can say only a few joints on The Eminem Show are classics. "Square Dance" kicks most of Dre's beats out the window not to mention "Till I Collapse" and "Cleanin' Out My Closet".

Dre stays relevant by popping up on Em's albums, with lyrics Em has written for him and every line is just him stressing how relevant / important he still is.

Like Jay-Z, he thinks innovation = talking about past innovation. That doesn't count.

Other than his solo stuff he hasn't done that much at all in-between NWA-Now. Most of the first two Em albums were him and the Bass Bros, not Dre and nearly all of TES was Em.

Where as Em has self-produced much of his first three solos, written all of them, created dozens of flows and concepts, re-invented himself every album. And I would argue The Marshall Mathers LP totally and utterly obliterates anything Dre has done artistically. That's a groundbreaking album.

Then aside from all that he's produced two Obie albums which are arguably both classics too.

eminembase, before you went off on your usual rant like that you should have noticed that the guy you quoted was actualy saying Eminem is better than Dr. Dre (saying Dre had 1 classic album or whatever). People can say what they want, but it is hard for me to believe that Eminem would be where he is today without Dr. Dre around. We didnt hear from Eminem for years after Encore, then comes Relapse ..almost entirely produced by...guess who...

[ShadyVsEminem]

Dre has been heavily involved on more classic albums than anyone.He obviously helped the production side of Eminems music and as a lyricist just getting signed by Dr Dre gave Eminem massive confidence.

Over 20 years he has been involved with a lot of my favorite rappers on a lot of my favorite albums THE MAN IS A LEGEND

[EminemBase]

eminembase, before you went off on your usual rant like that you should have noticed that the guy you quoted was actualy saying Eminem is better than Dr. Dre (saying Dre had 1 classic album or whatever). People can say what they want, but it is hard for me to believe that Eminem would be where he is today without Dr. Dre around. We didnt hear from Eminem for years after Encore, then comes Relapse ..almost entirely produced by...guess who...

Well then I apologize to him. Still, good Em-plus points

You say we didn't hear for Em years after Encore and then 'guess who' for Relapse lmao... What are you saying there, I don't know what you're getting at.

Em produced most of The Slim Shady LP and Marshall Mathers LP himself. He then produced all of The Eminem Show himself and wrote everything, on everything.

Then he split the production on Encore with Dre.

Then, we haven't heard of him because he got addicted to drugs and his best friend got shot in the head lmao. What does that have to do with Em vs Dre.

Then Dre produced Relapse at Em's request because Em wanted to just focus on writing and flows. And there aren't many classic beats on Relapse at all, it's Em's flows and lyrics that make them classic. In order to remember a Relapse beat I need to think of Em's melodic flow first to bring it up.

Where as think of an Em song - Lose Yourself, The Way I Am = Melody is right in your head.

[RealSickLindley]

Decades of Classic material, his own sound, and consistency throughout different artists and subgenre's..

Versus..

An artist who has 1 classic album, at a push 2.. And he only produced areas of them.. And whilst some of them were classic.. Apart from that.. most of the joints he wasn't on and did for other people, were very average and forgettable..

Decades of classic material?

1st solo album = 1992
2nd solo album = 1999
3rd solo album = yet to come but 11 year gap so far.

So 7 year gap + 11 year gap. Hardly consistent is it.

I wouldn't agree that Em has 1 classic album at a push two either. I think The Slim Shady LP, The Marshall Mathers LP and The Eminem Show are all classics. Three in a row. Lets see the timespan there too...

1st solo album = 1999
2nd = 2000
3rd = 2002

And I dunno how you can say only a few joints on The Eminem Show are classics. "Square Dance" kicks most of Dre's beats out the window not to mention "Till I Collapse" and "Cleanin' Out My Closet".

Dre stays relevant by popping up on Em's albums, with lyrics Em has written for him and every line is just him stressing how relevant / important he still is.

Like Jay-Z, he thinks innovation = talking about past innovation. That doesn't count.

Other than his solo stuff he hasn't done that much at all in-between NWA-Now. Most of the first two Em albums were him and the Bass Bros, not Dre and nearly all of TES was Em.

Where as Em has self-produced much of his first three solos, written all of them, created dozens of flows and concepts, re-invented himself every album. And I would argue The Marshall Mathers LP totally and utterly obliterates anything Dre has done artistically. That's a groundbreaking album.

Then aside from all that he's produced two Obie albums which are arguably both classics too.

I didn't mean as an artist, as a producer. So whilst he wasn't doing albums, he was constantly producing for all the greats for decades.

So mentioning flow and such like is bogus.

And sorry, did you just say that MMLP had more of an impact than NWA?

Givin' the black people a voice, rebelling as a whole race, and addressing a massive problem in America.. OR.. Dissing Celebs for attention and being Pops newest pin up.. Hmmmm.. Let me think..

The Chronic is one of the GOATS as far as production.

Dre doesn't have to be "relevant" anymore, he's done too much.. Just mention a Dre beat and Hip Hop fans jizz in their pants. And that's with hardly any consistent new material in the last few years.. On the other hand, Em has to take an arse to the face to stay "relevant".. You know why?

Cos
Em=Famous
Dre=Legend

One can lose their status, the other has already done the hard bit.

And LMAO @ Obie having Classics.. He was sick.. But in the general berth of Hip Hop..

Errrrm.. Not even close.

[EminemBase]

^ I can't even be bothered.

Dre is not even close to the artist you make him out to me. For the record I said MMLP totally obliterates anything DRE has done artistically.

I didn't say it had more of an impact than NWA, where the fuck did you pull that from. I was talking about Dre's solo work.

Dre is slow as fuck, hasn't done that much at all besides NWA, gets full production credits on massive co-productions, samples like fuck, doesn't write his own lyrics, never innovates besides nice production.

He isn't even 1 fucking % of Eminem's genius. Has he ever created a "Stan"? a "Kim"? Fuck no. He slams massive drums on stolen melodies and gets other people to write about how important he is and how much weed he smokes... Wow.

Dre = Very famous. Em = Genius.